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3PH Counterbalance Weight

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awhtx

12-10-2006 17:15:57




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I have an 861D with a 703 FEL. The manual shows a "Breakaway Lift Capacity" of 2500 lbs. How much counterweight do I need on the 3PH to keep the rear wheels on the ground? The tires are not loaded with CaCl nor do I have pie weights. I have both a 35 gallon and a 55 gallon drum that I can weld 3PH attaching points to and then fill with concrete. Anyone know how much concrete weighs per gallon? Would the 35 gallon barrel be enough or should I go with the 55 gallon? All ideas appreciated.

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souNdguy

12-11-2006 06:13:51




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 Re: 3PH Counterbalance Weight in reply to awhtx, 12-10-2006 17:15:57  
I have a ford 660 with 12.4-28 rear tires that are cacl filled.. it has a 722 loader, I also have a ~35g plastic tub that is filled with concrete and mounted to a 3pt drawbar. I just recently used thattractor to move some round hay bales. Deffinately not ideal with that type of a loader.. but it worked.

Soundguy



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Kirk-NJ

12-11-2006 03:42:37




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 Re: 3PH Counterbalance Weight in reply to awhtx, 12-10-2006 17:15:57  
A friend of mine fills his drums with scrape steel. He said it's heavier but I don't really know. It works well for him. He puts the barrel on the bar on the lift arms and chains the barrel to a piece of steel he uses as his top link.



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NWMO 901 SOS

12-10-2006 21:51:49




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 Re: 3PH Counterbalance Weight in reply to awhtx, 12-10-2006 17:15:57  
Just getting into the tractor hobby, but happen to be an engineer. Concrete weighs approx. 150#/CF which works out to 20#/gallon. Any additional length you can get from your pivot point (front tires) is trenendously beneficial.



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john_bud

12-10-2006 19:11:18




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 Re: 3PH Counterbalance Weight in reply to awhtx, 12-10-2006 17:15:57  
There are 2 specs for loaders, lift capacity to full height and break away. The breakaway is usually 1.5x - 1.75x the lift capacity. So, your lift is probably in the 1500# range.

I don't know about your particular loader, but the 712 loader with 3000# lift capacity has a Ford recommedation of 3250# of counterweight. I would guess that your going to need around 2000. As others have said, fill the tires and try with the 55 gal full. If you can rig up a way to use BOTH the 35 and 55 at the same time, you would probably be ok.

jb

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Tim B from MA

12-10-2006 18:21:41




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 Re: 3PH Counterbalance Weight in reply to awhtx, 12-10-2006 17:15:57  
I have an 841 with a loader. I have CaCl in the tires, wheel weights and about 2/3 of a 50 gal. drum filled with concrete on the 3-pt hitch. Still could use more weight. For loader work, digging into the pile, and backing up any kind of an incline - the more weight you can get on there the better.



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old

12-10-2006 19:32:31




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 Re: 3PH Counterbalance Weight in reply to Tim B from MA, 12-10-2006 18:21:41  
Thats why I use the back blade and the suit case weights. It gets the weight back to the end of the blade and it works better then a drum full of cement. Plus you then have the blade to use which if also nice if your doing dirt work. I haven't done any thing with either drum I have other then move them out of my way of and on. I do wish I had a few more suit case weights to put on the blade but now days there getting hard to find and cost a pretty penny. Another nice thing with them is you can add more or take them off depending on what your doing

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old

12-10-2006 17:44:08




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 Re: 3PH Counterbalance Weight in reply to awhtx, 12-10-2006 17:15:57  
I have both a 35 and a 55 gallion drum full of cement and they are NEVER used since they don't cut it. My 841 has fluid in the tires and I keep my heavy duty back blade on when I need the loader. My back blade also has 6 suit case weights on it hanging on the blade and at times all that still isn't enough. I found the back blade with the weights do more then any drum can back it puts the weight out as far as you can go. Also if your really going to do much with that loader I would fill the rear tires with some sort of fluid. I have one full of CACL and the other one full of wiper fluid and don't see any differance in the 2 of them

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