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Howard Spear

02-24-2007 06:01:33

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Help! I have my New Holland baler motor (134 CID Ford) scattered all over my garage. Have all the new parts and machine work all done. Started putting it together and now as I turn it over, it appears to me that the lifters are saying that my firing order is 1-3-4-2. Thought it should be 1-2-4-3! Could I have gotten a wrong cam that otherwise fits perfectly? Thanks in advance, Howard.

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Glenn Clark

02-25-2007 16:31:38

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Re: Ford 134 CID firing order in reply to Howard Spear, 02-24-2007 06:01:33

1-2-4-3 should be the correct firing order. It is on my 134 CID motor.

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Howard Spear

02-25-2007 08:06:10

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Re: Ford 134 CID firing order in reply to Howard Spear, 02-24-2007 06:01:33

Thanks to all! Except for one thing that jb pointed out, I like "What I'de do's" attitude. But what in fact if the oil pump does run backward. That is a little worrysome. What everybody is missing is that this is not a tractor, it is a self propelled baler. to bva, the engine is behind you on a baler but to set your mind at ease, I am turning the engine CW as I stand at the rear (Flywheel)end. Here's what the ID plate says: Ford Industrial Engine, Ser. # 7728-L24KK, Type-B8PE-6005-B, Options- SO-2321.
I'm no longer worried about the firing order of #2 & #3. Makes no difference. I am concerned about The oil pump running CCW. One thing I did find out for sure was that Ford 4 CYL cars distributors run CW. Anybody have a New Holland 1282 baler that they could look at the plug wire order in the cap? Thanks again, Howard

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Bob

02-25-2007 08:11:13

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HOWARD in reply to Howard Spear, 02-25-2007 08:06:10

Is this a SPECIAL engine, built to run BACKWARDS, especially for the baler????? ?

OTHERWISE, it turns CCW looking at the flywheel, CW looking at the "front" crankshaft pulley, like almost ALL common tractor, automotive, and industrial engines!

HOW do you get the idea it runs BACKWARDS from ALMOST ALL standard engines (except for twin engine boats, and a few other WEIRD applications)?

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Howard Spear

02-25-2007 09:24:21

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Re: HOWARD in reply to Bob, 02-25-2007 08:11:13

Thanks for the vote of confidence Bob. I hooked up my starter with jumper cables just to convince myself that I am turning it properly and sure enough, the starter would engage the flywheel and turn it the same way. I'm convincing myself and (you are helping) that I need to get a different cam. You confuse me a little. Standing at the rear of the engine I need to turn it to the right in order to make the valve sequence properly. To me this is CW Turning it the other way (to the left) makes all the lifter sequences wrong. ie: ex first and then intake. Just so you know I know, the valves are set up (E-I-I-E-E-I-I-E). Looking at the distributor from the top, it turns CCW. Looking at the engine from the front it would be CCW. This is bassackwards from my Ford 961 diesel 172 CID tractor.

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Bob

02-25-2007 10:54:55

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Re: HOWARD in reply to Howard Spear, 02-25-2007 09:24:21

SOOOO... which was does the starter turn the engine... "A" or "B"?

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Howard T. Spear

02-25-2007 12:24:38

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Re: HOWARD in reply to Bob, 02-25-2007 10:54:55

It is still "B". That's the way I have to turn it to achieve any kind of firing order and that is the direction that my starter would turn it if it were attached. I know of a guy who has a baler like this. I'll pay him a visit and look at it.

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Bob

02-25-2007 19:04:47

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Re: HOWARD in reply to Howard T. Spear, 02-25-2007 12:24:38

WOW...

That's interesting.... Is it POSSIBLE they made a reverse-rotation engine just for that baler?

And when you OH'd the engine, the supplier gave you a cam for a standard-rotation engine????

It will be INTERESTING to see how this plays out!

PLEASE post a new thread, so it is at the "top" when you figure out which way your friend's engine runs, and what is REALLY going on!

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What I'de do

02-25-2007 02:02:49

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Re: Ford 134 CID firing order in reply to Howard Spear, 02-24-2007 06:01:33

Put it together and if it runs right with 1-3-4-2 leave it. If not switch the 2 wires. Problem solved.

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john_bud

02-24-2007 17:16:18

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Re: Ford 134 CID firing order in reply to Howard Spear, 02-24-2007 06:01:33

Howard,

I don't mean to be condescending or anything, but have you brought out a neutral 3rd party like a buddy or wife to double and triple check that you are indeed watching the intake and not the exhaust? Letting them identify the intake from the exhaust. If you have and you are correct that rotating it backwards (from normal) makes the intake then exhaust go on #1 (closest to the crank pully) then you have a problem.

You may need to pull that cam out and put in a different one.

Here's why I say that. You stated that you are rotating CCW, but the "normal" rotation is CW and the dist turns CW. Your cam may be from an automobile engine that rotates the wrong direction. That would give you 4 reverse and 1 forward gear. Not too practical! Well, you could swap the differential housing from a 901 and not use the drops. (joke) The bigger problem would be that the oil pump is operating backwards and you would be sucking air across the bearings and blowing bubbles in the sump.

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bva

02-24-2007 14:47:45

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Re: Ford 134 CID firing order in reply to Howard Spear, 02-24-2007 06:01:33

jump all over me if I turn out to be wrong. You are turning the engine backward. Should be clockwise as sitting on the seat.Counter if turning from the front. The dstributor should be turning clockwise

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Bob

02-24-2007 15:43:53

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Re: Ford 134 CID firing order in reply to bva, 02-24-2007 14:47:45

bva,

Standard engine rotation IS CW, looking backwards towards the front of the engine, or
CCW (top of the CRANKSHAFT towards the operator's LEFT, while sitting in the seat).

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Howard Spear

02-24-2007 09:13:30

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Re: Ford 134 CID firing order in reply to Howard Spear, 02-24-2007 06:01:33

O.K. jb, have a little info. Ford cars have a 1-3-4-2 firing order. 2 mechanics I talked to both said go by what the cam does and not by what the book says. Could be that this after market cam fits all 134 CID engins (car, tractor or industrial). Both guys said it makes no difference in the operation of the engine as long as I set up the wires in the distributor cap to corespond with the cam firing order. Thanks for your thoughts. Howard

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dan hill

02-25-2007 01:56:09

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Re: Ford 134 CID firing order in reply to Howard Spear, 02-24-2007 09:13:30

The ford car is a 6 cylinder..

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Howard Spear

02-24-2007 07:40:17

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Re: Ford 134 CID firing order in reply to Howard Spear, 02-24-2007 06:01:33

Well, the machine shop put the cam gear on since it's pressed on. Just looked at it and it will only go one way. PTO gear bolts on the back end. Did notice one post that vaguely mentioned a Ford w/ 1-3-4-2 firing order. Got my cam off ebay. Thanks, Howard

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john_bud

02-24-2007 06:12:05

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Re: Ford 134 CID firing order in reply to Howard Spear, 02-24-2007 06:01:33

Firing order is 1-2-4-3.

Remember the valve order isn't constant across

Its ex-in, in-ex, ex-in, in-ex

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Howard Spear

02-24-2007 06:18:29

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Re: Ford 134 CID firing order in reply to john_bud, 02-24-2007 06:12:05

I know the order. The sequence of the intakes and exhaust opening and closing tells me that it's firing 1-3-4-2. Thanks

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john_bud

02-24-2007 06:35:50

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Re: Ford 134 CID firing order in reply to Howard Spear, 02-24-2007 06:18:29

Not to be rude, but how did you check?

It's not a simple deal and I get confused by it myself. The only way I have been able to do it was to put numbered marks on the crank pully and rotate it thru until all "fired" writing down the order observed.

If your method is different, please learn me up!

If you did that and the order is still different (1-3-4-2), then all I can say is "HUH?"

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Howard T. Spear

02-24-2007 06:56:40

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Re: Ford 134 CID firing order in reply to john_bud, 02-24-2007 06:35:50

Thanks jb. I have it lying on it's side with the lifter side up and am turning the motor clockwise with a bar between 2 bolts in the end of the crank. 1st, #1 in lifter comes up as I feel it with my finger, then down as #1 cylinder tops out. Then the ex opens and closes. Next in the same sequence are #3, #4, and then #2. Then it goes back to #1 of course. I am certain. Just don't know if this could be right for this engine. Wrong cam or what. Looking at my plug wires, just from the length, I'd say 1-3-4-2 is the way it was wired. Can't be certain though. Distributor turns counter clockwise. Howard

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murn ga

02-24-2007 08:01:43

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Re: Ford 134 CID firing order in reply to Howard T. Spear, 02-24-2007 06:56:40

The dist normally turns cw on a 134.

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Howard Spear

02-24-2007 09:26:36

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Re: Ford 134 CID firing order in reply to murn ga, 02-24-2007 08:01:43

Thats what I hear. Wonder why mine turns ccw? I'm getting the impression that this 134 isn't exactely a tractor engine. Thanks.

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john_bud

02-24-2007 06:44:13

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Re: Ford 134 CID firing order in reply to john_bud, 02-24-2007 06:35:50

Noticed that if you rotate the engine back wards, the firing order becomes 1-3-4-2.

That couldn't be the issue, could it?

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Howard T. Spear

02-24-2007 07:00:39

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Re: Ford 134 CID firing order in reply to john_bud, 02-24-2007 06:44:13

Tried counterclockwise and the lifters come up wrong. ie; ex first and then intake.

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john_bud

02-24-2007 07:30:12

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Re: Ford 134 CID firing order in reply to Howard T. Spear, 02-24-2007 07:00:39

Well Howard,

You have taxed my "remote diagnostic ability" to the breaking point! I eagerly await a more knowledgable person's postings!!

One last gasp - and I don't know if it is even physically possible to do this!

Could you have put the camshaft in wrong end first?

(Talk about grasping at straws!)

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steveormary

02-24-2007 17:23:07

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Re: Ford 134 CID firing order in reply to john_bud, 02-24-2007 07:30:12

Seems to me that looking at the engine from the front of the tractor towards seat the engine should turn CW. We had 2 tractors we had to crank start and we always pulled up on the crank. Dont remember the firing order of our 641 and dont have it anymore anywway.

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