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soundguy

02-28-2007 18:07:15

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I'm having a delima here.

I have a 75 5000.. A few places like napa and carquest are showing that it uses a 1714 (napa) oil filter

However when i got it it had anapa 145 on it.. the prev owner penciled that in the owners manual, and i never even bothered to verify it.. I've just been using that filter number to get replacements.. now I'm worried that I may be using the wrong filter.

Any 5000 owners out there mind telling me what filter number they are using so I can cross a few of them.

Also.. the ford number.. what does it cross to. I've had NO luck crossing ford / NH filter numbers over...

Soundguy

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karl f

03-01-2007 18:17:09

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Re: late 5000 spin on oil filter in reply to soundguy, 02-28-2007 18:07:15

90% of the pre 2000 (roughly) ford stuff has the same base for its spin on filters. some brands like hastings and possibly fram consolidate part numbers. they make only one filter number that is close enough for the multiple applications. wix is pretty good about not consolidating their part numbers. wix makes napa's stuff too. by lookup, by year, in the wix catalog should be dead on. i'm not sure if your napa store is using the book or the computer. not much help here but just showing my observations from the parts biz. heck a short filter off a dodge carvan will fit on the spin on base of your 5000...
wix has an 800 number tech line. can always call that. i can grab it at work tomorrow if you'd like.

-karl f

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soundguy

03-01-2007 21:38:51

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Re: late 5000 spin on oil filter in reply to karl f, 03-01-2007 18:17:09

They were getting the number from the computer.

I contacted customer service about the discrepency on why thair application chart returns a 1714 number, but their crossover chart returns a 1452 number when fed the OEM ford number.

We will see what they have to say about that..

when they reply, i will post it.

thanks

Soundguy

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awhtx

03-01-2007 18:00:29

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Baldwin BT267 in reply to soundguy, 02-28-2007 18:07:15

That's what's on my 1967 5000 Diesel. I don't know if it's the correct filter or not.

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tsix

03-01-2007 09:30:08

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Re: late 5000 spin on oil filter in reply to soundguy, 02-28-2007 18:07:15

Sound, The N/H part number (straight from the N/H website) for your tractor should be 86546614. This crosses over to all of these:
Purolator: L30001
Wix: 51452 Fram: PH8A
Mobil/Champ: PH8A
For what it is worth, the NAPA is the same filter as Wix.
Rick

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souNdguy

03-01-2007 11:08:09

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Re: late 5000 spin on oil filter in reply to tsix, 03-01-2007 09:30:08

Funny that the oem number crosses to a 1452 napa, yet napa application guide lists a 1714.. That's why i don't trust napa application guides. The even show a paper inner/outter filter for a 5000.. ( oil bath air filter. ) i don't think the paper filters came along till 5600 or so..

Soundguy

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jimont

02-28-2007 18:57:34

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Re: late 5000 spin on oil filter in reply to soundguy, 02-28-2007 18:07:15

For what it's worth, I've used Fram PH8's for years on my 5000. Local county always used PH8's on all their Ford equipment.

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soundguy

02-28-2007 19:14:19

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Re: late 5000 spin on oil filter in reply to jimont, 02-28-2007 18:57:34

And that was on a late dieselwith the larger engine?

Hmm.. the ph8a is a napa 1515...

Seems like we see 3 filters that will fit.. I wonder if any of them are any better than the others? ( 1515, 1714, 1452 ) ??

Soundguy

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RodInNS

02-28-2007 18:51:13

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Re: late 5000 spin on oil filter in reply to soundguy, 02-28-2007 18:07:15

Soundguy,

That filter was known as the Ford 300 Dual. I've always used Ford/NewHolland filters, which are presently sourced from FleetGuard. That filter was used on all 3 cylinder and most of the natural 4 cylinders up to late 91 when they introduced the Genesis engines.
I believe the Motorcraft number was FL1A. Fram was PH8A. Wix is 51515.... Now my local NAPA mostly sells Wix filters, but they can cross to NAPA I think. Seems to me that the NAPA numbers run closely to WIX for some reason? For what it's worth, my local Baldwin dealer can also find the filter by application.... Dunno if any of that helps. I've given you every number but the NAPA....

Rod

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soundguy

02-28-2007 18:59:17

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Re: late 5000 spin on oil filter in reply to RodInNS, 02-28-2007 18:51:13

I meant to type 1452 not 134.

If it is wix 51515. .. then it is a napa 1515.

Funny that the napa application data base shows a 1714 and not a 1515 ( my NAA and 850 use the 1515 / ph8a / fl1 oil filters.. )

Humm.. I'm in a delima I guess... I hope I'm not using an oil filter that will damage my engine in some way..

Soundguy

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soundguy

02-28-2007 18:49:05

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Re: late 5000 spin on oil filter in reply to soundguy, 02-28-2007 18:07:15

Dang it.. now i can't even lay my hands on my ford service manual.. I can't even look up the oem 1qt spin on filter number.. GRRRR... I'm finding manuals onmy desk to tractors i don't even own.. yet can't find the one I'm looking for.. double GRRR

Soundguy

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BDT in Minnesota

03-01-2007 08:00:58

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Re: late 5000 spin on oil filter in reply to soundguy, 02-28-2007 18:49:05

soundguy....There are allot of filters that "will fit" as far as the threads and gasket base are concerned....The internal differences within the filter, however, can vary drastically....The flow rate and mircon rating can vary as well as to whether or not having a anti-drainback valve..The internal bypass valve(if equipped) has a release pressure that can vary drastically also...On a few of the filters that have been noted, I have seen variations from 8 to 20 psi..And some filters don't use these at all because a bypass is built into the lube system itself.....The safest way to secure the proper filter is to always use the application guide of the specific filter manufacturer....I called my local NAPA store, and 1714 was their response...Some filters can be thought of as an upgrade over anouther filter, but "backtracking" on a cross reference list could result in a improper filter installation.. A company may choose to build one better filter that is equipped to handle several applications...But the filters that are then replaced can vary..

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souNdguy

03-01-2007 11:27:40

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Re: late 5000 spin on oil filter in reply to BDT in Minnesota, 03-01-2007 08:00:58

I think that napa application chart is incorrect.. it should display a 1452 i believe.. looking at the oem number now...

Soundguy

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BDT in Minnesota

03-01-2007 12:17:32

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Re: late 5000 spin on oil filter in reply to souNdguy, 03-01-2007 11:27:40

If ya go to the NAPA site and punch in the New Holland current #86546614 it will cross to NAPA 1452..... so there should be no problem using the 1452.....I would lay odds that NAPA's books will get an update soon....The 1714 is five bucks higher than the 1452.....Napa??? Do they have a warehouse full of overpriced filters that they would to sell before they "change" the number???? I am going to bugg those local NAPA guys and see what they have to say...I'll let ya know their response... Snowing here and bad roads---The Peterbilt will get a rest today...this forum is allot safer, and allot more fun...BDT

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BDT in Minnesota

03-01-2007 14:10:42

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Re: late 5000 spin on oil filter in reply to BDT in Minnesota, 03-01-2007 12:17:32

OK-ya-ya///...the Poor guy at NAPA is now confused,,,,I told him of the 1714 plight, and had him look up the New Holland source number for that application...The New Holland # for this filter is 1909102...So off I went back to the Baldwin set of refference books that surround me...Crossed to a Baldwin BT348...Kept looking till I found what the heck uses a Baldwin BT348, and there it was::: a 4030 with a Fiat engine. Then to the New Holland site to verify this information...yep a 1909102 oil filter is for a model 4030...This filter is listed as having an anti drain back valve, along with a 30PSI bypass valve built in....Does the NAPA 1714 does belong on the Ford 5000??? not according to what I have found...The Baldwin BT111 has no anti drain back valve, and has a bypass valve rated at 20PSI....One heck of a difference... The next call to NAPA might be dilly, I wonder what they will send my direction:: A Steak dinner for two or a hit-man ??? I'll keep ya posted BDT

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BDT in Minnesota

03-01-2007 14:30:56

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Re: late 5000 spin on oil filter in reply to BDT in Minnesota, 03-01-2007 14:10:42

Poor Guy at NAPA<<< he asked me what I would like to do???/ I said the listing is in disagreement with everyone elses numbers,I gave him the details.,..And said I would like NAPA to check this out..He said he will get that done...

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