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Bamaguy

03-07-2007 14:47:34




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I know there are various opinions on starting aids, but I have a question to ask. Has anyone ever used a rag soaked with gas, held under the air cleaner to start a diesel engine? We've done this at work to start some Taylor fork trucks when they have been out of fuel. I'm sure the theory is to only get fumes into the system, but some liquid might actually get drawn in. It would seem to be less harmful than ether, unless more than fumes were drawn in. Thoughts?

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Pehoy

03-20-2007 16:38:41




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 Re: Starting aids in reply to Bamaguy, 03-07-2007 14:47:34  
Does anyone know if this will start a diesel that has run out of gas?



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Bamaguy

03-21-2007 15:26:03




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 Re: Starting aids in reply to Pehoy, 03-20-2007 16:38:41  
Was that supposed to be funny?



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RodInNS

03-11-2007 09:53:15




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 Re: Starting aids in reply to Bamaguy, 03-07-2007 14:47:34  
I've never used gas, or anything else soaked on a rag. I've tried WD40, and I've never found it did anything to help with cold starting. It does help in getting a tractor running that's been run out of fuel, or is difficult to bleed.... but Cold starting..... and I mean COLD, it does nothing.
When it's necessary to use something, I use ether. Just a small, small burst, when cranking. You can always give it more if it doesn't start. The consequences are expensive if you give too much. Moderation is the key.....

Rod

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souNdguy

03-08-2007 06:45:30




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 Re: Starting aids in reply to Bamaguy, 03-07-2007 14:47:34  
I've used wd-40 sprayed into the air intake on a 353 detroit to get her started.

Soundguy



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cb in wisc

03-08-2007 06:13:05




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 Re: Starting aids in reply to Bamaguy, 03-07-2007 14:47:34  
Well, the best starting aid that I have found is one or two strong cups of coffee. Without them
I can"t even begin to think about starting anything else.



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Dean

03-08-2007 15:06:42




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 Re: Starting aids in reply to cb in wisc, 03-08-2007 06:13:05  
CB:

The WD-40 might work.

Dean



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Dean

03-07-2007 17:37:21




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 Re: Starting aids in reply to Bamaguy, 03-07-2007 14:47:34  
Yes. This works great and is less harmful to a diesel engine than way most use ether.

Dean



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Grampa Leon

03-07-2007 16:21:50




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 Re: Starting aids in reply to Bamaguy, 03-07-2007 14:47:34  
If it works,use it,in my opinion it would be less harmfull than a spray of ether. Years and years ago,the concept of ether was a "new something" to assist diesel engines to fire [lowers combustion temp.or
so the experts say]. Anyway the only ether available was in liquid form from a drug store,
We started our old D4 by soaking a rag with the liquid and did as you describe,without air cleaner attached,not knowing the immediate response of engine starting,rag wemt into air pipe,it was caught prior to any damage.Next came ether capsules[remember them]these were introduced into intake with somtimes extreme damaging results [broken rings ,etc].Finally came the spray can used today.

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gerard

03-07-2007 16:04:57




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 Re: Starting aids in reply to Bamaguy, 03-07-2007 14:47:34  
Now you're taking me back. Most of my callouts were on the 4cyl perkins. Rag soaked in gas or kerosene to heat the air going in. Maybe a slurp of kerosene down the manifold.
Personally, I've always preferred ether. I know some reckon it's an engine wrecker, but I think the reputation is ill-deserved. Maybe those engines supposedly wrecked by ether only needed ether because they were on their last legs anyway? It's how you use it. A good blast down the manifold is asking for trouble. I always try to use it AFTER cranking has started and then squirt it ACROSS the intake, as opposed to into it. Never damaged an engine yet, and I've used it for 45 yrs.

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john_bud

03-07-2007 19:57:02




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 Re: Starting aids in reply to gerard, 03-07-2007 16:04:57  
Gerard,

Your method of using ether is about the only safe way. Still, I don't like to hear about people using it to start a diesel. Most squirt it like it was carb cleaner, a good long soaking squirt right down the air cleaner! Sometimes on engines with automatic glow plugs too.

I have a piston on my desk in front of me now from my "new" tractor. 1963 ford with a 172d. Top two ring lands are missing (about 1 1/2 and 2" gap) the bottom oil ring land and skirt are cracked and about to come off. The prior owner was a confirmed ether squirter. "funny" thing was that the engine had decent compression, and just barely needed to be rebuilt. Except for the scratches from the broken lands in the cylinder and the crank.... Thing was still a puppy with 8500 hours on a long ago broken proofmeter.

jb

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RoNofohio

03-07-2007 17:44:13




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 Re: Starting aids in reply to gerard, 03-07-2007 16:04:57  
I too have heard the horror stories about using ether, but I have never had a problem with it even tho I use it a lot. But your way of spraying across the intake with the engine being turned over sounds like a good idea. That way, you only get the gas and none of the liquid. I will try that the next time I have to use it...Ron



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Dean

03-07-2007 17:50:20




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 Re: Starting aids in reply to RoNofohio, 03-07-2007 17:44:13  
Ron:

Misting near the air cleaner is the only way one should use ether. Start cranking first, then a quick puff near (not into) the air cleaner inlet should do it. You want little vapor and no liquid in the air intake.

Dean



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va. rebel

03-07-2007 15:59:54




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 Re: Starting aids in reply to Bamaguy, 03-07-2007 14:47:34  
that is all i ever used on a murphy diesel they start easy in cold weather. northwest craines shoveles draglines



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