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Steve

10-11-2001 07:05:07




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I can't keep my 4000 Ford(4 cyl, gas) running. I have a new Zenith carb, new coil, points,condenser,plugs, plug wires. The tractor will start easily and run for 10 minutes and then begin missing and quit. The plugs are sooty black and indicate that I'm running very rich (also black smoke). I have to set the main adjustment on the carb at 4 turns counterclockwise just to get the thing to run. The resistor before the coil shows the same dc voltage on both sides..shouldn't there be a reduction in voltage going to the coil?

Can anyone help?

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Josh c.

10-14-2001 18:40:40




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 Re: 4000 Ford needs help! in reply to Steve, 10-11-2001 07:05:07  
i am a mechanic for new holland ford. I think youre plugs are just fouling out. Walmart makes extensions for spark plugs that you can put down into the block. They screw right in to the holes where the sparkplugs go. Sparkplug extensions will move them out of the combustion chamber 1/2 to 3/4 in. keeping them from fouling. This means a slight loss in power. Yes, there should be a change in voltage. If the extensions dont fix it. You should look into replacing the coil.

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Scott

10-15-2001 12:26:09




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 Re: Re: 4000 Ford needs help! in reply to Josh c., 10-14-2001 18:40:40  
Josh,
Huh?
Moving the plugs farther from the combustion chamber will encourage them to foul, this is definitely the case on 2 strokes, I've seen it, a friend put a to short plug in his atv to limp it home, it would foul almost immediately (<30 min.)
I have never seen or heard of such an extension.
How long have you been a mechanic?

Scott



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MarkB

10-12-2001 03:50:57




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 Re: 4000 Ford needs help! in reply to Steve, 10-11-2001 07:05:07  
It sounds like it's flooding, although that doesn't make much sense with a new carb.

As far as voltage drop at the ballast resistor, you'll only see the voltage drop when the points are closed. It's possible that the points are gapped right on the edge of closing. As the engine warms up, the gap will change a bit. It could be that the gap is opening just enough to kill the spark. Try regapping your points.

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O. A. Olson

10-14-2001 09:59:19




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 Re: Re: 4000 Ford needs help! in reply to MarkB, 10-12-2001 03:50:57  
Sounds as if you have fuel problems, check for full flow AT the carb. next try and clean your carb .. may be only a speck of rust in the float valve it can be fixed please let me know ... omer



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mike jenezon

10-12-2001 01:12:11




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 Re: 4000 Ford needs help! in reply to Steve, 10-11-2001 07:05:07  
I had a 9n that did the same thing it was dirty connection between points and coil sometime it would sputter and some it would just die like you shut off the key same sooty black on the plugs as if real rich but was not carb. hope this helps mike



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mark

10-11-2001 20:41:09




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 Re: 4000 Ford needs help! in reply to Steve, 10-11-2001 07:05:07  
If you test voltage before the resistor with the tractor running it should be the same as battery voltage, about 14 volts running with a 12 volt system. After the resistor voltage should 7 or 8 volts to the coil. If it's getting full battery voltage to the coil all the time it will burn out the points. Black smoke Fuel fouled plugs running to rich; check the choke make sure it is open when hot; check the air cleaner, tubes, screens, ect. for blockage. Also the needle & seat could be sticking open from contamination from a rusty fuel tank causing it to flood out. Good Luck

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DonP

10-11-2001 14:39:04




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 Re: 4000 Ford needs help! in reply to Steve, 10-11-2001 07:05:07  
Assuming the 4000 is a lot like a 641....
After 10 minutes it is either gasping for air or gasping for gas, or your coil has a short that opens up when it heats up. (Pretty blanket statement, I suppose.)

If the tank isn't too full, loosen the cap and run for a while. The cap needs to be vented, some are not, is yours? (Ok, so the vent thing is true on my 641, I've never seen a 4000, someone should check this fact).

If it still dies, check to see if you are getting a vapor-lock. This is because the gas-line runs between/through the manifold and can pick up a lot of heat unless it is properly insulated - If it's bare, crinkle some tin-foil around it.

Are you getting gas enough? Pull the gas-line off the sediment bowl, grab a big coffee can and turn the gas on under the tank. A clogged filter in the shut-off will give you a stream roughly the thickness of a coffee-stirrer. A clean filter will let the stream of gas look almost the same thickness as the gas-line.

Skipping to your question on the resistor. No. the voltage will remain the same. the amperage will drop. This is so the points don't burn up.

Hope this helps. Hope at least some of it is correct.

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TimK

10-11-2001 14:09:36




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 Re: 4000 Ford needs help! in reply to Steve, 10-11-2001 07:05:07  
You have to start isolating the problem. Next time it quits, right away pull a plug wire and ground it with a screwdrive against the block while someone else cranks the engine. See if you get a spark. If you do, then it's got to be carburation, lack of fuel, or..... .... If you don't get a spark, then back up thru the wires and see where you are losing the current. FWIW: You won't show a diffence in current on either side of the resister until the points are closed. Ny $.02

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Rod MI

10-11-2001 08:35:23




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 Re: 4000 Ford needs help! in reply to Steve, 10-11-2001 07:05:07  
Steve I don’t now the answer to your question I can only tell you what problems I have had with My 1962 4000(4 cyl, gas) not running I had a cracked head that would run for 2 minutes to 2 hours then just would shut off then would have to what for it to cool of then would start Will I’m thinking of it do you have one of those lever type shut of valves? If you do when did you replace it last I have bout new bad ones and have had them last from only 6 month to 1 year MAX that could be your probable or you could have junk in your tank I have tried to clean my old one and just ended up buying a now one (plastic) and do you have spark when it stales on you and check you compression I have had a new rebuilt distributor that the bushing whose loose and would run ruff for a few hours then would quit on me then could not get started do to rotor wearing on the cap and sorry for such a long post Rod MI?

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