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3000 STOUT ENOUGH FOR LOADER???

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Tom

11-09-2001 04:37:57




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I am trying to find a front loader for my 1974 diesel 3000. The dealers I talk to say a loader will trash the front end of a 3000, and with a load, the rear tires will spin. What is the experience of 3000 owners with loaders. Many thanks.




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another ross

11-12-2001 19:15:12




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 Re: 3000 STOUT ENOUGH FOR LOADER??? in reply to Tom, 11-09-2001 04:37:57  
If you are a hobby farmer and plan to load a little manure and push snow just go to your local welding shop and have them make a box that mounts to the 3 pt about 2'x2' for a base and 3'-4'ft high, fill it with sand or gravel and put it on when you need extra traction. If you plan on doing farm work like loading manure and moving dirt with it on a regular baseis forget about it you will spin tires and bust parts I know from exprience we used to clean our cattle yards with a 4000 SU (3000 with a 4000 Motor) and a 735 industral loader. (good loader, crank mount pump faster than our 7710) we snaped spindels, had fluid in the tires and a weight box on the back and still spun if we took a medium bite of manure on cement! buy a 5000 if you can find one.

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another ross

11-12-2001 19:14:47




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 Re: 3000 STOUT ENOUGH FOR LOADER??? in reply to Tom, 11-09-2001 04:37:57  
If you are a hobby farmer and plan to load a little manure and push snow just go to your local welding shop and have them make a box that mounts to the 3 pt about 2'x2' for a base and 3'-4'ft high, fill it with sand or gravel and put it on when you need extra traction. If you plan on doing farm work like loading manure and moving dirt with it on a regular baseis forget about it you will spin tires and bust parts I know from exprience we used to clean our cattle yards with a 4000 SU (3000 with a 4000 Motor) and a 735 industral loader. (good loader, crank mount pump faster than our 7710) we snaped spindels, had fluid in the tires and a weight box on the back and still spun if we took a medium bite of manure on cement! buy a 5000 if you can find one.

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Ross

11-11-2001 19:54:56




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 Re: 3000 STOUT ENOUGH FOR LOADER??? in reply to Tom, 11-09-2001 04:37:57  
We had one on ours and as long as you don't try to shift the barn in one load it will be fine. we never used counter weights but the rear ties were loaded. Yes we broke a bolt holding one side of the axle but that was a cheap quick fix and broke in the feild not loading.



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JWC

11-10-2001 14:42:00




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 Re: 3000 STOUT ENOUGH FOR LOADER??? in reply to Tom, 11-09-2001 04:37:57  
Tom,

The effect of the loader on your tractor will be determined by your judgment when using it. The loaders on the old 8Ns and similar tractors were usually trip-bucket loaders for moving manure. The loaders had smaller buckets than many of today’s loaders and operated at lower hydraulic pressure. If you are concerned about your front axle choose the smallest loader bucket that will meet your needs. If you are loading gravel, sand or soil don’t get greedy when filling your bucket. If you are using your tractor mostly for jobs not requiring the loader get a quick attach loader or one with stands and hydraulic quick connects that will remove easily. A loader will eventually wreak havoc on any tractor’s front axle pivot given enough time and use. You might want to replace the pivot bushings and check the condition of your front axle before you purchase or mount a loader on your tractor. Under hobby use with discretion you should be fine. There is a reason Ford, IH,MF and others sold industrial versions of this size tractor for daily loader use just as there are welders with low duty cycles for farm and hobby use and commercial versions for industrial use. I have two loaders and they get about 25 hours of use a year, the rest of the time they are off of the tractor. A loader is a very handy tool, but it affects the balance and maneuverability of a tractor. They also add to the load on the front wheel bearings, tie-rods and wheels. Remember the dealer could be held responsible if he does not tell you of potential failures that could result in personal injury. The big question is will your use push the tractor to the limit on occasion or often enough to bring failure. Some of the other post have told you it will fail some say don’t worry. You have not told us how your tractor is used and why you want a loader, so it is tough to tell you anything except be careful and use reasonable judgment.

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Tom

11-11-2001 08:12:58




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 Re: Re: 3000 STOUT ENOUGH FOR LOADER??? in reply to JWC, 11-10-2001 14:42:00  
Thank you all so much for taking time to let me pick your brain. I do not take that for granted. I am going to try to find a loader and use it with common sense.



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Don

11-09-2001 16:31:24




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 Re: 3000 STOUT ENOUGH FOR LOADER??? in reply to Tom, 11-09-2001 04:37:57  
How much different is the front end on your 3000 as compared to an 8n? We have an 8n with a front end loader that my dad bought used in 1969 which he used to digout the bank to build our house and to back fill when finished, clean out a shed on our barn when we had livestock, set the trusses on our pole barn, and so on and so forth. The only thing we had to repair during the last 32 years was the steering column and that was probably 20 years ago now.

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Festus

11-09-2001 10:55:30




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 Re: 3000 STOUT ENOUGH FOR LOADER??? in reply to Tom, 11-09-2001 04:37:57  
I've got a 1973 3000 gas with a 772 loader on it also. Been on since it was new as far as I know. The guy who had it before me bought it new. I was told he used it mostly for cutting firewood so I would assume it was used alot. I've never had a problem with it and use it regularly. Even dug out the ground for my barn with it. I've got fluid in the rear tires and pie-weights on them. Make sure you have power steering if your gonna put one on it though. Good Luck, Festus

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JHill

11-09-2001 11:24:56




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 Re: Re: 3000 STOUT ENOUGH FOR LOADER??? in reply to Festus, 11-09-2001 10:55:30  
Festus,
I looked at your pictures in you website yesterday. I figure Ford must have put some crappy paint jobs on their loaders. Mine is rusted just like yours is and was that way when I bought it 10 yrs ago.



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Festus

11-09-2001 16:42:13




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 Re: Re: Re: 3000 STOUT ENOUGH FOR LOADER??? in reply to JHill, 11-09-2001 11:24:56  
I agree. The condition of the paint on the tractor wasn't bad at all compared to the loader.



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JHILL

11-09-2001 04:54:07




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 Re: 3000 STOUT ENOUGH FOR LOADER??? in reply to Tom, 11-09-2001 04:37:57  
A 3000 will easily handle a loader. There are thousands of them out there. It helps to add more bolts to the front axle. You also need weight in the back like every other tractor either loaded tires or weights or both. I have a 1974 3000 with a no. 772 loader loaded rear tires and weights it has had a loader on it since it was new. The only problem i have had is the ring on mine was riveted to the carrier from the factory and I sheared the rivets. Cost me $300 to have the dealer replace the rivets with bolts. That was after 20 yrs of use.

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Shawn

11-09-2001 18:28:25




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 Re: Re: 3000 STOUT ENOUGH FOR LOADER??? in reply to JHILL, 11-09-2001 04:54:07  
THe front axle support on the 3000 is less than 1/2"of casting. The loader on the 3000 exerts a lot of force on this area. I've seen many castings in the junk yards cracked because of this. Even my own. Very hard to reinforce this area too. Check the area out above the axle pin for cracks.



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