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Artthur Wolch

07-14-2007 03:59:53




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Can someone send a diagram showing me how to attatch the wires on my 1962 601 ford. It has an alternator instead of generator. 12 volt. 12 volt coil. I had to buy the wireing harness as it was missing! Also I need to find an emblem, its gold and says "Industrial". Can't seem to be able to find one at any of the antique tractor parts sites. Sure appreciate all you guys!




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Larry NCKS

07-15-2007 17:21:06




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 Re: wiring harness in reply to soundguy, 07-14-2007 03:59:53  
Dennis Carpenter has the emblem, a new reproduction. Saw it in his display at Ford show at Lathrop.



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john in la

07-14-2007 08:14:21




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 Re: wiring harness in reply to Artthur Wolch, 07-14-2007 03:59:53  
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If the 12v conversion was done with a Delco 10si alternator (most are) this wiring diagram will work.



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PHIL I

07-16-2007 05:24:24




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 Re: wiring harness in reply to john in la, 07-14-2007 08:14:21  
Hey ,john in la, would you happen to have a wiring diagram for 12v conversion with ONE wire going to the alternator? ..my 1961 641 was converted by a prior owner and he just cut all the wires going to the gauges and removed the old regulator{since it was no longer needed, my key switch has three posts marked I..S...and i believe B..it has a four post solenoid where the I post on the solenoid goes directly to the push button switch,the S post on the solenoid goes to the I post of the key switch and from there to the coil...the S post on the key switch is left empty and the B post of the key switch goes to the top post of the solenoid where the positive battery cable is connected...MY GOAL IS BE ABLE TO HOOK-UP LIGHTS,AND GAUGES?...THANKS

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Jim.UT

07-17-2007 11:28:30




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 Re: wiring harness in reply to PHIL I, 07-16-2007 05:24:24  
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Phil, here is John's 1 wire diagram.



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PHIL I

07-17-2007 12:01:41




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 Re: wiring harness in reply to Jim.UT, 07-17-2007 11:28:30  
thanks ..Jim UT...for getting me this info ..Im big time amazed at the knowledge of all you guys out there!! but on a further note: can you or someone explain four things for me?...(1) in the diagram what specifically should I use for the part marked {fuse} it is shown just before the light switch...(2)..what type of light switch can I use if I only intend on hooking up two head-lights and maybe one tail light....(3) most importantly what is the symbol for the "diamond" shaped thing that the ignition key wires terminate at?..(4) my key ignition switch has three posts on it..one marked "I" connected to the coil,one marked "s" which is not connected to anything and lastly one marked what looks like a "B" which to the solenoid stud that is connected to the positive battery terminal..NOTE: that whoever converted this tractor to 12V simply cut out all wires to any gauges,lights etc. and may be a foolish goal,but i would like to be able to restore them..!!!THANKS IN ADVANCE>>

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john in la

07-19-2007 18:57:40




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 Re: wiring harness in reply to PHIL I, 07-17-2007 12:01:41  
1) a inline fuse holder.
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2) Jim showed you a light switch

3) That is a insulated terminal block. It is just a place to hook wires together. You will need a block with 2 wire connecting spots.
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4) The B post will be hooked to one side of the terminal block and The I will be hooked to the other side. S is not used.

Since I really think you DO NOT have a true 1 wire alternator even if some one told you it was and sold you it under that assumption; I would hook the small jumper wire on the back of the alternator from post 2/S to the battery post. (see the first drawing)

Now when you have to rev the motor all the way up to get the alternator to charge and what to make it work better come back and I can tell you how to add the 3rd wire to the alternator.

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PHIL I

07-20-2007 05:52:46




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 Re: wiring harness in reply to john in la, 07-19-2007 18:57:40  
To john in LA: the reason I say it is a one wire hook-up is because only one wire is attached to the alternator,{which goes to the ammeter}..Is my thinking incorrect??.. I since have seen on this site your very helpful wiring diagrams and comments..and have since purchased a volt meter and will remove the ammeter, but havent installed it yet...Secondly is it neccessary to have a terminal block since I dont have one now? as I sais earlier I just bought this tractor and whoever converted it to 12v just cut out and removed all wires that didnt pretain to actually starting it ....THANKS AGAIN!!

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john in la

07-21-2007 06:34:31




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 Re: wiring harness in reply to PHIL I, 07-20-2007 05:52:46  
Your thinking should be correct by what you have seen and know BUT!!!!! !!!!! ! lets dig into it a little.

If I had a tractor I wanted to convert to 12v; was not concerned about doing it 100% correct; just wanted it to charge. This fact is enforced by the torn out wires from previous owner.

Would I buy a alternator at AutoZone for $23.99 or would I buy a 1 wire alternator for $89.99??
Now let me try and explain that since I know I have lost you.

GM made these alternators to use in their trucks and cars. All of these had a 3 wire system with a dash idiot light. They also made a marine version that only uses 1 wire and cost $103.99 rebuilt. MARINE ALTERNATOR

Then someone came along and put the marine regulator in a car alternator. It cost $89.99 and up. ONE-WIRE ALTERNATOR

Well this still cost to much so what are we to do. In a attempt to solve this problem we will just use the car alternator with 1 wire and it worked; but lets dig more.

The alternator starts to charge a small amount when the engine is stated. The difference in the marine alternator and the car is the regulator. The regulator in the marine alternator has much better sensing capacity so the slightest charge turns it on and off. The car regulator does not. So when we use the car generator in a 1 wire setup we need to rev the motor to get it to start charging good enough to over come the regulator sensing ability and start working.

So now lets look at the alternator and how it works. The #1 or F post is where power comes in and is hooked directly to the regulator. This turns the regulator on and allows the alternator to charge. If you leave it off you may need to rev the motor to get the alternator to start charging. Once it starts it will work till you shut down the motor again. DO NOT hook a wire to the #1 post unless you have advise on doing so first.
The other wire #2 or S is the sensing wire. This reads how many volts is really in the battery and tells the alternator to stop charging. This wire is very easy to hook up and will stop the alternator from over charging and blowing up your battery. I suggest you use it.

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Now to your other questions..... ..
I feel the volt meter is better. It does not get hooked in the same place as the amp meter. Hook 1 wire to keyed power and the other wire if it has it to ground. Some use the case as a ground.

A terminal block is not really needed just nice and neat. You can hook the wires direct to the key switch instead of the block.

If you have any more questions please start a new thread.

12V conversion
Wiring

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Jim.UT

07-17-2007 14:13:45




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 Re: wiring harness in reply to PHIL I, 07-17-2007 12:01:41  
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Same guy is offering a replacement key switch, too.

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Jim.UT

07-17-2007 14:10:14




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 Re: wiring harness in reply to PHIL I, 07-17-2007 12:01:41  
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Phil, here's a light switch like the one I used. It's on ebay and the guy wants $9 for it. I bought mine at AutoZone for about $4, but at least you can see what to look for. I mounted mine in the same location as the original light switch....right side, under the edge of the hood, above the battery. Opposite side of tractor from the key switch location.

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Jim.UT

07-17-2007 13:56:30




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 Re: wiring harness in reply to PHIL I, 07-17-2007 12:01:41  
Phil, this thread is now down on page 2 so it's unlikely many people will see your question and respond. You may want to start a fresh thread with your questions to get more responses. However I will attempt to answer to the best of my ability. You may want more authoritative responses from others before you proceed any further.

1. Fuse: The main idea is that the circuit the lights are on should be protected with a fuse. There are several options. You could rob an in-line fuse holder from a auto junkyard. Or you could do like I did and buy a generic 2 position push-pull automotive headlight switch from AutoZone (or similar) that has a built in fuse holder. 15 or 20 amps ought to do it.

2. My generic two position switch mentioned above works great for the same type of application you are talking about. In an automotive application, it was intended to send power to the park lights and taillights in the first position (pulled halfway out). And it's supposed to turn off the park lights and turn on the headlights and taillights in the 2nd position (all the way out). My switch has 5 wire connections on it. One for power in, two lugs on one side get power in position one and all 4 lugs get power in position two. I wired my headlights to the lugs that get power in both positions. I wired my red taillight to the lug that gets power in the first position and my rear worklight to the lug that gets power in the second position. Now when I pull the switch out halfway, I get headlights and a red taillight. If I pull the switch all the way out, the red taillight goes out and the worklight comes on.

3. That diamond thingy is a terminal block. The hot wire from the battery connects to one side along with one lead from the key switch and the line going out to the headlights. If you notice in the drawing, the other lead from the key switch goes to the other side of the terminal block. An original style key switch is simply an on/off switch. By turning the key switch on you send power to all the other parts of the electrical system.

4. I can't help you with your key switch. There are all kinds of weird things that could have been swapped in during the 12V swap. As I said above, the original key switch is simply an on/off deal and all it does is send power to the gauges and ignition system. That being said, I need to mention that the ignition system was changed a bit from my 1955 800 to your newer x01 series. I know that my tractor only has 3 posts on the solenoid where yours has 4. John in LA is much more expert in the reasons and effects of those changes. I heartily encourage you to get his input on your situation.

Good luck with it.

Jim

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PHIL I

07-18-2007 04:49:11




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 Re: wiring harness in reply to Jim.UT, 07-17-2007 13:56:30  
thanks again, Jim Ut, your explanation was very helpful! as you can see besides being of poor mechanical ability I am also an embarrasment to the computer age! I will get some of the parts and prior to doing anything will re-post a message or "new thread" as you say THANKS!!



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Artthur

07-15-2007 09:54:13




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 Re: wiring harness in reply to john in la, 07-14-2007 08:14:21  
Thank you very much!!!
Art



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