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Massey50

08-23-2007 18:50:26




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I am converting my Ford 4000 to a 12 volt system. I am using a one wire alternator. I believe that I have rewired the tractor correctly, but I can not get the tractor to turn over. I put the tractor in nuetral, and push in the clutch. Does anyone have any suggestions?




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RodInNS

08-24-2007 18:42:11




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 Re: Ford 4000 ignition in reply to Massey50, 08-23-2007 18:50:26  
So you replaced the starter relay? Did you get that from a tractor dealer or NAPA?

The original requires a ground path through the starter button. The automotive type from napa requires a live feed rather than a ground path. The original button will only provide a ground path....

Rod



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john in la

08-24-2007 18:27:47




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 Re: Ford 4000 ignition in reply to Massey50, 08-23-2007 18:50:26  
Ok now that we know it is a 4000 4 cylinder and you have replaced many parts we can dig into it a little.

The most common problem is people replace the starter relay with one from a car parts store. This will not work!!!!! !!!!! !!!

So lets do a test and see if I am right. Take the 2 small wires off the relay. Now using a jumper wire apply battery power to the S post. Watch out!!! It may crank. If it does you have the wrong relay.

If not lets do another test. Hook up the 2 small wires again. Turn the key on and with a test light see if you have power on the wire where it hooks to the starter push button on top of the trans. If you do remove the wire and touch it to a good ground. Caution it may crank!!!!! If it does crank your starter button is bad.

Heres a wiring diagram for your application.

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john in la

08-24-2007 18:31:21




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 Re: Ford 4000 ignition in reply to john in la, 08-24-2007 18:27:47  
OH!!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!!
By the way. Since you did not replace the coil you will need to add a inline resistor in the wire going to the coil. My wiring diagrams are drawn using a true 12v coil.



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Massey50

08-25-2007 15:01:28




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 Re: Ford 4000 ignition in reply to john in la, 08-24-2007 18:31:21  
John, the coil is a 12v coil without a resister. Where should I put a resister. The relay is now making a click sound when you apply electricity to it. Did I just frie my relay?



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john in la

08-26-2007 05:59:03




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 Re: Ford 4000 ignition in reply to Massey50, 08-25-2007 15:01:28  
Excuse me if I lead you down a path you have already been but it is very hard helping with wiring over the internet. I have no choice but to take every word at face value. You may know exactly what you are trying to say but I also need to know. This is why I give test to follow so I know where you are at and what you have done.

Lets deal with this coil first. YOU SAID that you did NOT replace the coil. Now you say you have a 12v coil. If you have a coil that is marked "12v no external resistor required" you do not need a resistor. If you have the original 6v coil you will need a 12v to 6v resistor in the wire from the terminal block to the coil positive post.

SO lets move to the relay. You say the relay is making a clicking sound when you apply POWER. Does this mean you jumped power to the S post and it clicked. If so you have the wrong relay but that will not prevent in from cranking. If you apply power to the S post and it clicks but does not try to crank; I have to assume you have a bad connection somewhere; a weak battery; and maybe a bad relay.

When I try to find a problem I often remove parts from the system; but advising this over the internet can get me in trouble because I do not know the mechanical knowledge of the person I am talking to. But I would run a battery cable from the post on the starter straight to the battery positive post. If it tried to crank then I would know the battery and starter are good and I could concentrate on the relay.

To show you what I mean..... ..... ..
I had a problem with my tractor starting this past winter. Had a battery I took out of my pickup so I knew it was good. Starter had just been rebuilt less than a year ago. I replaced all cables with new #2 cable and ends. Replaced the relay. Still would not start. I sat down and went threw it in my mind and could not figure out what to do. Then I started over and checked everything even though I knew it was good. Come to find out pressure washing the tractor had put water in my newly rebuild starter and had rusted it all up. This may be the long winded version but try to tell me everything you do so I am not guessing.

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Massey50

08-26-2007 06:47:31




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 Re: Ford 4000 ignition in reply to john in la, 08-26-2007 05:59:03  
I replaced the coil with a 12v w/o a resister. I put a resister inline between the coil and the block. I have a new battery with a new positive battery cable and negative battery strap. I have a new one wire alternator, new relay, new starter switch, new key switch, and new block. I rearranged my wiring to resemble the diagram you sent me(THANKS BY THE WAY!). When I aply electricity to the relay, it just clicks. The tractor doesn't try to turn over. I will go through as soon as I have a chance and double check my fittings to make sure everything is tight. Thanks again for talking with me on this!

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soundguy

08-23-2007 20:47:18




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 Re: Ford 4000 ignition in reply to Massey50, 08-23-2007 18:50:26  
What did you do that you are not telling us?

Did you disconnect the oem starter switch?

did you replace the oem starter solenoid?

Did you add a key-turn-to-start- switch?

The more we know.. the better answers we give.

Soundguy



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Massey50

08-24-2007 18:07:42




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 Re: Ford 4000 ignition in reply to soundguy, 08-23-2007 20:47:18  
I have replaced everything except the starter and the coil. I have never converted a 6 volt to a 12 volt, but I"m 95% sure I have wired to correctly.



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soundguy

08-24-2007 21:37:44




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 Re: Ford 4000 ignition in reply to Massey50, 08-24-2007 18:07:42  
Looks like that 5% may be hanging you with bad wiring / misswiring based ont he aprts you have.

As the others said.. if you did not use the correct oem style relay.. it probably won't function using oem wireing.

Most modern relays expect either power to the start(s) post.. or require both power and ground to two seperate posts. Very few are like the Ford relays that are internally hot, and only require ground to the relay.. etc.

Soundguy

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john in la

08-23-2007 19:14:40




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 Re: Ford 4000 ignition in reply to Massey50, 08-23-2007 18:50:26  
What year 4000.



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Massey50

08-24-2007 18:08:51




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 Re: Ford 4000 ignition in reply to john in la, 08-23-2007 19:14:40  
1963



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