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Randy Walker

11-08-2007 10:58:24

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Hello my name is Randy Walker and I have a 1965 Ford 4000 that I am wanting to restore. I have never worked or dealt with tractors but I am wanting to restore this one since it was my grandfathers. Can any give me any suggestions on were to start?

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wedge40

11-10-2007 04:04:05

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Re: Do you know which 4000 you have? in reply to Ultradog MN, 11-08-2007 10:58:24

Randy Walker said: (quoted from post at 21:21:34 11/09/07) Thanks for the help, I plan on looking at the tractor tomorrow. As soon as I get the numbers I will post them.

Randy, take a camera with you.

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Larry NCKS

11-09-2007 16:00:40

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Re: Restoring a Ford 4000 in reply to Dave H (NY), 11-08-2007 10:58:24

On pre '65 tractors there is a horizintal flat spot BEHIND the starter on the bell housing. In FRONT of the starter there is just air in order to facilitate removal of the starter. I didn't know post 65 tractors had ID in this spot, but then I'm not all that familiar with them.

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wedge40

11-09-2007 13:18:02

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Re: Restoring a Ford 4000 in reply to Bobby 1000, 11-08-2007 10:58:24

Randy Walker said: (quoted from post at 13:43:26 11/09/07) Guys, I have been reading the responses and it looks like the first thing I need to do is get some manuals. Next question, how do I find out exactly what I have? Is their any vin numbers I can get off the tractor to take to the local dealership to get the exact spec's of my tractor?

Randy here is a website to help you along.

Link

There will be area for the 4000 and it will tell you where to look for the numbers. I believe you said you have a 1965 4000. Lets start with the basics. How many cylinders does it have. If it has 3 then its 65 or newer, if it's 4 then pre 1965. There is a horizontal flat spot on the tractor in front of the starter. There you should find at least 2 sets of numbers hopefully three. Jot those down and use the above website to see what you have.

I'm thinking about doing the same thing to my 67 4000. Problem is right now I dont have a place other than OUTSIDE to work on it. I'm hoping the pole barn will get done next spring/summer. Then maybe a nice winter project.

Keep us posted as your progress. Oh and dont forget the pictures.

Wedge

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Ken in Michigan

11-09-2007 11:23:24

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Re: Restoring a Ford 4000 in reply to Randy Walker, 11-08-2007 10:58:24

Wise folks on this forum have often spoken a simple proverb. "You have bought the iron, now buy the paper." Makes good bedtime reading material too.

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Larry NCKS

11-08-2007 14:21:08

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Re: Restoring a Ford 4000 in reply to GlenIdaho, 11-08-2007 10:58:24

Just curious, SouNd. What the heck does he need an IT shop manual for if he gets the Ford one? It surely doesn't have info that the Ford one doesn't does it?

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Dave in Ms

11-09-2007 19:38:24

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Re: Restoring a Ford 4000 in reply to Larry NCKS, 11-08-2007 14:21:08

Having all the info I can get my hands on gives me that warm and fuzzy feeling, so I have Ford Service, Parts, and the I&T manuals for both my NAA and 640. I feel the I&T has more detailed info on the hydraulics than the Ford manual. While overhauling the NAA's tranny and hydraulics last summer, I would have been lost without all 3 manuals and the guys on this forum.

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soundguy

11-08-2007 21:24:21

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Re: Restoring a Ford 4000 in reply to Larry NCKS, 11-08-2007 14:21:08

The I&T has some updated parts listing.. especially where parts are superceded. As awhtx points out.. the I&T manuals are not word for word reprints, and every now and then you do find different info, and some of it us usefull. For the paltry 25-30$.. it's worth having considering we pay a few thousand for the tractor.. etc.

soundguy

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RodInNS

11-09-2007 04:51:52

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Re: Restoring a Ford 4000 in reply to soundguy, 11-08-2007 21:24:21

"the I&T manuals are not word for word reprints" Rich, sounder.... RICH. That's got to be the understatement of the week! The I&T books have about 1/10th the information of the Ford books by volume, but I do grant you, some of it is different.

Rod

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soundguy

11-09-2007 04:57:52

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Re: Restoring a Ford 4000 in reply to RodInNS, 11-09-2007 04:51:52

I guess i shoulda added a 'wink' in there to denote the humor.. but yeah.. some of it is different. I figure an extra 30$ along the way on the tractor cost is pennies when you add up other costs...

Soundguy

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awhtx

11-08-2007 20:33:04

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Ford vs IT Manuals in reply to Larry NCKS, 11-08-2007 14:21:08

I have both manuals for the Hundred series and I can definitely say that I found useful info in the I&T manual that was not found in the Ford manual and vice versa.

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RodInNS

11-08-2007 19:17:15

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Re: Restoring a Ford 4000 in reply to Larry NCKS, 11-08-2007 14:21:08

It's been a while but I seem to recall that there was some info in the I&T that wasn't in the Ford book, or it was presented somewhat differently... but it still wouldn't justify the cost if ya ask me.
Ford Operators manual.
Ford Service manual.
NewHolland.com/na for the parts listings unless you simply have to have abook...

Rod

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soundguy

11-08-2007 11:11:59

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Re: Restoring a Ford 4000 in reply to Randy Walker, 11-08-2007 10:58:24

#1 first thing to do is get a set of manuals.

1, the owners manual

2, the ford shop manual

3, master parts catalog

4, might as well go ahead and get the I&T shop manual.. not as good as the ford manual.. but cheap.. and does have some good info.. etc..

Soundguy

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phil lowe

11-09-2007 20:59:38

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Manuals in reply to soundguy, 11-08-2007 11:11:59

Lots of stuff in the manuals ,just take care ,as some places youn can buy them from are REPRINTS and the picture quality if not very good and all black and white ,so wireing drawings that are color coded ,don't show up ..look for an original ,,wish I had of

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Air Force One

11-08-2007 12:06:00

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Re: Restoring a Ford 4000 in reply to soundguy, 11-08-2007 11:11:59

What do you think about the "Pointless Electronic system for ford 850? Is it worth the money and does it hold up? thanks

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soundguy

11-08-2007 19:47:28

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Re: Restoring a Ford 4000 in reply to Air Force One, 11-08-2007 12:06:00

I don't have any tractors with electronic ignition. I do pretty good with a couple dollar set of points ever few years.. however.. I can say that a large portion of the questions that get asked ont he ford N board are for help diagnosing electronic ignition problems.

I agree with dean.. if I was going to do an EI.. I'd convert to 12v first..

soundguy

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Dean

11-08-2007 14:17:29

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Re: Restoring a Ford 4000 in reply to Air Force One, 11-08-2007 12:06:00

AF:

Though I have no first hand experience with electronic ignition modules for vintage Ford tractors, I have been told that the 12V versions work well while the 6V versions are marginal.

Dean

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dancbtmkr

11-08-2007 19:52:29

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Re: Restoring a Ford 4000 in reply to Dean, 11-08-2007 14:17:29

I'm DEEP in a restore of a ford 4000, actually, mine is a 4200 rowcrop, but it's a 4000 series. This is my first tractor endeavor. If you wanna swap stories....I'm game. I tore it back to the rear, trans off, engine rebuilt completely, hydraluic lines redone...etc. Trust me, this is all I do anymore with my free time. Happy to help if you are interested.

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