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EBinIn

12-11-2007 15:06:38




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I'm considering the purchase of a '63model 4000 (4 cyl.gas, good rubber, paint, low hrs, but twostage clutch is gone. What is this tractor worth as is? what would clutch parts cost? How difficult is it to "split" this tractor? Appreciate your thoughts. I've rebult auto engines so mechanical part should not be a problem. Thanks.




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MarkB_MI

12-12-2007 03:45:06




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 Re: 4000 clutch in reply to EBinIn, 12-11-2007 15:06:38  
Splitting the tractor and replacing the clutch is a weekend job if you've never done it before. Be sure and buy the factory service manual from New Holland, as it gives very good step-by-step instructions on what you need to do it and how to properly block the tractor. You'll need a flat, smooth floor to work on. I use a floor jack under the transmission and blocks under the front of the tractor (mine is a row crop). You also need to lift up the steering wheel (just a fraction of an inch) with a hoist of some kind.

By all means replace the starter ring gear. It's probably 44 years old, and you'll be cussing yourself later if you don't do it now.

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Old Ford Mechanic

12-11-2007 20:01:59




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 Re: 4000 clutch in reply to EBinIn, 12-11-2007 15:06:38  
Soundguy is close on his observations.And if it takes 6 to 8 hrs i've been doing them way too fast.Of course i know it takes longer if your not use to it.



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john_bud

12-13-2007 07:52:32




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 Re: 4000 clutch in reply to Old Ford Mechanic, 12-11-2007 20:01:59  
Show off!



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RodInNS

12-11-2007 20:25:29




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 Re: 4000 clutch in reply to Old Ford Mechanic, 12-11-2007 20:01:59  
You're probably in the 4-5 hour range? I know the dealer guys here used to do open station straddle "10's" in just over 2 hours with a helper.
I remember one of the guys telling me a story one time where he had gone out to a farm in the morning to do a clutch in a 5610. The farm's mechanic was helping him. They started around 9 or so... About 11 the boss came into the shop and the tractor was all in ONE piece. He was about to let loose on them for sitting around for 2 hours dog f*****g, etc. Just smiled, said it's all done.... I'm heading back to town.
Those tractors were so easy to work on. I miss them...

Rod

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john_bud

12-11-2007 19:31:41




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 Re: 4000 clutch in reply to EBinIn, 12-11-2007 15:06:38  
The parts cost for a GOOD 2 stage clutch kit from a reputable source is going to be closer to $650. From CNH closer to $1200.

The clutch friction discs are 9" diameter. That's not a lot of surface area, so you don't want to skimp on a cheapo import. Get a good one, the effort / cost is in the labor to do the split. A 25 year clutch cycle is better than a 3 year one for a 50% cost savings!

You can do it in a long weekend by your self. Long is Starting Friday after supper and buttoning it up late Sunday. A skilled tech can do it in 6-8 hours. The important things to remember are that you NEVER force the sucker together. If you get some 6-8" long bolts that will thread into the back of the block and cut the heads off of them, you can use them as guides to get the assemblies real close. You may have to jiggle and wiggle to get the splines lined up. May have to hand rotate the engine a bit. When it fits, it slides in like it was on rails. If it does not do that, DON'T force it, or you will be buying a new clutch.

Input shaft seals are a good thing to do while you are there and check the condition of the back freeze plug. If it is suspect, you may want to put in a brass marine one.

There have been some good threads with hints, tips and all on the split. Search and enjoy the read.

jb

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awhtx

12-11-2007 16:03:19




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 Re: 4000 clutch in reply to EBinIn, 12-11-2007 15:06:38  
I have seen the dual stage clutch priced from $250-$450 for a rebuilt one. NH charges over $800 for a brand new one. Don't have your flywheel resurfaced as it's unnecessary- the clutch assembly has the pressure plates built in and does NOT rub against the flywheel. You will certainly want to replace the throwout bearing and the clutch pilot bearing. If the starter ring gear on your flywheel is boogered now is the time to replace it.

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RodInNS

12-11-2007 19:36:55




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 Re: 4000 clutch in reply to awhtx, 12-11-2007 16:03:19  
"""the clutch assembly has the pressure plates built in and does NOT rub against the flywheel"""

What exactly does it rub against then?

Ofcourse the main clutch works against the flywheel, with an intermediate (PP) steel plate behind it, then the PTO clutch and then another intermediate (PP) followed by the springs.

Resurface the flywheel as necessary. There is generally a wear spec for that, but all I've ever done is a visual inspection. If it's got grooves, grind it. If you can't tell wear, clean it off with emery cloth and give it another go.
The clutch assemblies and pressure plates will come as a unit... or they should. That's the best way to replace a clutch. Do the whole shot and be done of it unless the PP is A-1 already.
I haven't priced one for that partcular tractor but I'd expect Hy-Cap to have something in the 5-600 range complete, and of good quality.

Rod

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awhtx

12-12-2007 09:21:48




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 Note to RodinNS: in reply to RodInNS, 12-11-2007 19:36:55  
Rod- you always provide lots of good information but you're incorrect this time. The dual stage clutch assembly (as used in the X61 and pre 65 4000) bolts to the flywheel around the outer circumference just like a single stage but the clutch disk DOES NOT contact the flywheel. The disks and pressure plates are all contained within the clutch assembly.



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RodInNS

12-12-2007 18:22:07




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 Re: Note to RodinNS: in reply to awhtx, 12-12-2007 09:21:48  
Ok...
It's certainly the first one I've ever heard of like that. Also explains why they're so prone to sticking, and certainly why they're so expensive to repair too...

Rod



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MarkB_MI

12-12-2007 03:30:20




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 Re: 4000 clutch in reply to RodInNS, 12-11-2007 19:36:55  
Rod,

I know that the clutch in my 4000 does not wear against the flywheel. All of the wear surfaces are internal to the clutch assembly. I've mentioned this in the past, and I've received so many flames that I have to wonder if the replacement clutches are different from the original equipment.



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soundguy

12-11-2007 15:20:31




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 Re: 4000 clutch in reply to EBinIn, 12-11-2007 15:06:38  
The early 4cyl 4000 with 5spd tranny and 2 stage clutch is more or less an updated 861.

Assuming just a new clutch and possible FW resurface.. I'd guess at least 5xx$ plus other small ticket items.. like trans input shaft seal.. etc.

The small fords are not a huge task to split.

Soundguy



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