Wheel weights will the 4000 weights fit on a 851?

Joe in NYC

Here are some photos of some stud extensions. They thread onto the tractors rear wheel stud in place of lugnuts. They perform a dual function:
1. they act like lugnuts to hold the wheel on the tractor
2. they provide a place to mount the pie weight mounting plate.

So, you see, without the stud extensions, you have no way of mounting your pie weights to your tractor. Many times the extensions get left on the tractor when the weights come off because they are still needed to perform function #1. Then the poor slob who buys a "complete" set of pie weights is stuck buying new extensions at up to $20 a pop.

However, in order to remove the stud extensions from the 4000 donor tractor, you will need a set of standard lugnuts (like you have on your tractor now) to replace them and perform function #1. I have several lugnuts that I'd sell for $1 each....$16 for a full set, plus $5 shipping via Priority Mail if you need a spare set. Email me if you want to discuss it.

Jim,
Here is a photo of the rear wheel on my 1958 ford 851. I sent you E-mail regarding the extra lugnuts you have. Thanks.

You do not have power adjust rims. Any set of pie weights will fit your wheel.

I found a better pic of power adjust rims on an ebay auction. This one has the 30 lb weight set attached.

So, picture this: you find a 4000 for sale that has a set of pie weights. You want the weights but you dont' want to buy the 4000. So you ask the seller to sell you just the wheel weights. He says OK.

So you start to pull the weights off the 4000. When you get down to the extensions, which you also need, you will need an extra set of lugnuts to put on the 4000 IN PLACE OF the extensions you are about to remove. Otherwise, the rear wheels will fall off the 4000. Clear now?

I guess my problem is that I've always been talking to people that have just the stud extensions on their tractor, but no weights. When I try to offer to buy the extensions, I have to have a set of lugnuts to trade.

With a full set of weights being removed, you're absolutely right. No need to have a spare set of lugnuts. Sorry to be so dumb.

They only time I've needed an extra set of lug nuts is when I install the wheel spacers that came with the power adjust rims.

-John

If the 4000 has 4 cylinders, the weights will bolt right onto your 851 so long as the 4000 does not have a heavy set of weights and your 851 has power adjust rims. If your 851 does not have power adjust rims, any of the pie weight sets will bolt on.

Pie weights come in several varieties and prices vary by region and variety so value cannot be estimated with the available information.

That said, I have seen complete pie weight sets sell from $150 to $650.

Dean

Power adjust rear rims were an option...some sources say they were standard on Powermaster tractors.

Here's a photo of an 851 that I lifted out of the tractor gallery. It has power adjust rims. Look at the center disk of the rear wheel. You'll see that it is attached to the rim at 4 points. Those 4 points are grooved brackets. The center disk rotates inside the rim (inside the grooves in the 4 brackets) to screw itself in or out to adjust the wheel track width.

Non-power adjust rims will have a center disk that is bolted to the rim in 6 places.

This becomes important when buying pie weights because the pie weights came in two versions. The "light" set contained 12 segments per wheel that weighed 30 lbs each. The "heavy" set also contained 12 segments per wheel, but they were bigger and weighed 45 lbs (I think) each.

The heavy set WILL NOT FIT on a power adjust rim. So if you have power adjust rims, you need to make sure the weight set you buy is the ligher (smaller) set.

If you do not have power adjust rims, either the heavy or light set will fit fine.