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Coil with no external resistor needed

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Air Force One

12-26-2007 06:04:37




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Heres a question..I've searched high and low to see if my dad put a resistor on the 850 when he went to 12 volts..Whats the best way to tell if there is one (resistor) inline? Present coil now is one that requires a external resistor..thanks




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MarkB_MI

12-26-2007 19:44:03




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 Re: Coil with no external resistor needed in reply to Air Force One, 12-26-2007 06:04:37  
Rod in NS has it right, but just to be clear:

You need to check the voltage at the BATTERY side of the coil primary winding (to ground) with the POINTS CLOSED.

How do you tell if the points are closed? Check the voltage at the DISTRIBUTOR side of the coil primary to ground. If it's zero the points are closed; if it's 12 volts the points are open. (This is with the engine stopped and the ignition switch on, of course.) Bump the starter, if necessary, to close the points. BTW, if the voltage at the distributor side of the coil is anything between a few millivolts and 12 volts your points are probably bad.

Once you're sure the points are closed and not burned up, check the voltage from the battery side of the distributor to ground. I seem to recall that it should be around 7 or 8 volts if there's an external resistor. If you're getting full battery voltage then there's no external resistor.

It's not uncommon to see 12 volt conversions with no external resistor and with a coil that requires a resistor. They will run fine, but go through points like crazy until the coil finally burns up.

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Air Force One

12-26-2007 15:36:41




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 Re: Coil with no external resistor needed in reply to Air Force One, 12-26-2007 06:04:37  
The coil i have now is a 12 volt coil..It states "external resistor required". I got it at Advance auto parts. Took the 6 volt coil off a year or two ago..It seems to run ok, other than the battery drain which I will get to this week with the time off. So what Im hearing is just to switch to the NAPA coil and it should be ok? Thanks



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GlenIdaho

12-26-2007 19:18:44




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 Re: Coil with no external resistor needed in reply to Air Force One, 12-26-2007 15:36:41  
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AF1; Here's what a 12 volt ballast resistor looks like. It would be attached in line with the wire to the coil. If you follow the coil wire back to its source and you don't find one of these, you most likely don't have one on your coil. Sorry, its so fuzzy. OH, by the way, it's not to scale. It would be about 3 inches long. Hope this helps.

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Air Force One

12-27-2007 07:15:18




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 Re: Coil with no external resistor needed in reply to GlenIdaho, 12-26-2007 19:18:44  
Yep! Just as I thought...there is no resistor as shown anywhere...and it eats points up at the pace of three per year at least...going to NAPA at this moment! Thanks for everyones help



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Jerry/MT

12-26-2007 19:14:35




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 Re: Coil with no external resistor needed in reply to Air Force One, 12-26-2007 15:36:41  
As I said before, you have a 6 volt coil that if you ran it without the resistor, would overheat with a 12 V supply. That"s why they tell you to put an external resistor in series with it. It ain"t a real 12V coil. The NAPA IC-14SB is a "real" 12 V coil and requires no external resistance.



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Jerry/MT

12-26-2007 12:48:32




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 Re: Coil with no external resistor needed in reply to Air Force One, 12-26-2007 06:04:37  
In my opinion, you should consider using a real 12V coil(NAPA IC-14SB ~$15) and get rid of your 6v coil( a coil that says it 12v but requires an external resistor is a 6 volt coil). It requires a resistor to limit the prinary current to < 4 amps. I like not having the resistor because it"s one less potential failure mode.

If you really want to save your 6V coil, use an ohmeter to determine the resistance in the primary windings then the required total reistance is 3ohms ( 12V/4 Amps =3 ohms). So if you coil has 1.5 ohms of reistance in the primary, you"ll need a 1.5 ohm (minimum)(3.0 -1.5=1.5) so that your total resistance is 3 ohms. If you want to really get fussy, measure the battery voltge and divide that by 4 amps. that gives you the target total resitance. the measure total reistance from the primary wire at the points to the battery (+) connection and subtract that from your calculated total resiatnce to get the required resistance.

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RodInNS

12-26-2007 08:47:35




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 Re: Coil with no external resistor needed in reply to Air Force One, 12-26-2007 06:04:37  
Put a voltmeter on the coil primary wire and see what voltage is on it. If there's anything less than 12, it's got a resistor... or awful dirty connections.

Rod



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Texasmark

12-26-2007 07:57:21




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 Re: Coil with no external resistor needed in reply to Air Force One, 12-26-2007 06:04:37  
Service manuals I have read indicate that the points are designed to interrupt 5 amperes. So get out your ohmmeter and check for 12v/5 = 2.4 ohms. I know NAPA sells a resistor with 3 terminals, one set at 1.2 for 6 volt systems and the other at set at 2.4. Been awhile but it is probably made of 2ea 1.2 ohm resistors and you just use both in series for 12v.

Mark



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Larry NCKS

12-26-2007 06:15:08




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 Re: Coil with no external resistor needed in reply to keithr1, 12-26-2007 06:04:37  
should likely be a white ceramic rectangular assy. in the wire from the ignition switch to the coil. It'll have two terminals and if you look at the back side you'll likely see what looks like a tightly coiled spring in it from one termnal to the other.



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