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NWMO 901 SOS

02-08-2008 17:23:35




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Hello all,

Still playing mechanic on the 971. I put new points on Wednesday and now get a nice blue spark jumping 3/16". However, when I measure the dwell is seems to be around 30 degees, well below the 58-63 specd.

At the end of the ignition Section in Trouble shooting of the Owners manual (p 95), it reads
"Replace the distributor points if they are burned or misaligned. Establish the correct dwell on the distributor stroboscope. Reset distributor timing."

How do I establish the correct dwell?? or is it likely a worn shaft lobes causing this?

TIA
Chris

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Bob

02-09-2008 08:40:11




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 Re: Setting dwell? in reply to NWMO 901 SOS, 02-08-2008 17:23:35  
IIRC, back in the "old days", Ford had a different way if spec'ing dwell, before electronic dwell meters were common.

I doesn't come to me at the moment how it was done differently, but it was, resulting in a considerably different "spec", such as the one you are looking at. Perhaps, it was given as "crankshaft degrees", which would be twice the distributor degrees, which would make sense with what you are seeing.

ANYHOW, while the actual point setting and dwell at the distributor remained THE SAME, the way of looking at it, and "spec'ing" it changed.

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MarkB_MI

02-09-2008 03:37:36




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 Re: Setting dwell? in reply to NWMO 901 SOS, 02-08-2008 17:23:35  
Forgive me if I'm stating the obvious, but a lot of folks have never worked on point-type ignition.

Dwell is set by adjusting the point gap. Decrease the point gap to increase dwell, and vise versa.

Really, these engines aren't too finicky about dwell and timing. I usually just eyeball the point gap.



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Jerry/MT

02-08-2008 21:28:47




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 Re: Setting dwell? in reply to NWMO 901 SOS, 02-08-2008 17:23:35  
Are you sure you are reading the dwell for a 4 cylinder engine and not for a 8 cylinder? 30 degrees is about one half of the 58-63 degrees dwell angle you need and 8 cylinder dwell is half of a 4 cylinder. Are you reading the correct scale?
If you have a FAT, BLUISH-WHITE SPARK THAT"s 3/16" you must have the correct dwell.



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NWMO 901 SOS

02-08-2008 19:41:24




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 Re: Setting dwell? in reply to NWMO 901 SOS, 02-08-2008 17:23:35  
[quote="john in la"](quoted from post at 21:51:36 02/08/08) Let me stick my head out on the block and say I think you are asking the wrong question.

Thanks for the responses. Based on these two responses, I assume the word establish could be read confirm, as the only adjustment for points is gap. I didn't kow if the points could be moved in such a way to keep them closed longer? Didn't seem like it but I thought I would ask. I guess the only way to appreciably change the dwell angle would be to decrease the gap, thus keeping the points closed slightly longer. As you have already shared, I would likely be better off to set the gap as carefully as possible, appreciate the nice blue spark and move on.

I'm learing as I go and must admit it is not in my nature to question an owners manual. I always assume there is something I am missing or don't fully understand. Thanks again.

Chris

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john in la

02-08-2008 18:51:36




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 Re: Setting dwell? in reply to NWMO 901 SOS, 02-08-2008 17:23:35  
Let me stick my head out on the block and say I think you are asking the wrong question.

Dwell is a measure of how long the points stay closed. This # can change with a after market distributor that calls for different point sets or a different size cam wheel.

Now if we look at the parts book it shows that the 601 and 801 use the same distributor; same points; same cam wheel; same everything.

So I think your question should have been..... ..
Why does the service manual say that the dwell on a 601 is 27° to 31° and the 801 is 58° to 63°

Could this be a miss print????? ????

Seams to me if you got the same points running on the same cam in the same distributor then the dwell should be the same.

I say leave it alone at 30°

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CENTAUR

02-08-2008 18:26:59




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 Re: Setting dwell? in reply to NWMO 901 SOS, 02-08-2008 17:23:35  
If it is a 4cyl it should be about 45degrees & 6cyl about 36degrees & 8cyl.26 to 32degrees.If you set the points at specs you will be better off then useing a dwell or(cam angle)meter.There is no substitute for clean careful workmanship.You will find that if you set them at specified opening specs they will fall at the specified dwell.That is if the meter is good.When the rubbing block wears off from (use) or (rough cam) or (lack of lubrication) the points will remain open longer resulting in a longer dwell.CENTAUR

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36 coupe

02-09-2008 02:55:35




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 Re: Setting dwell? in reply to CENTAUR, 02-08-2008 18:26:59  
I found that the dwell was right on if the point gap was set right.The fancy test set wasnt needed.A timing lite will tell you if the distribitutor advance is working.



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