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Charlie C.

02-12-2008 17:26:13




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The 3pt on my 73 4000 has check chains to controll the swing of the 3pt. Is there a attachment to add the ridge stableizer bars?
When using the back blade to push the blade will swing untill the chain or the lift pins stop it.
I have a home built set of the quick attach ends that are advertised on the TractorByNet site.
Due to the way they attach to the lift arms, they will bend the lift pins if the pins are hit very hard as in using the blade to push backwards.

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Charlie C.

02-25-2008 16:10:18




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 Re: stablizer bars in reply to JohnIa, 02-12-2008 17:26:13  
HTH, that picture is how my ford looks. Thanks for all of your input. Making the bars will have to wait now until I see whether I get the loader or not.



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Charlie C.

02-22-2008 17:32:06




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 Re: stablizer bars in reply to sotxbill, 02-12-2008 17:26:13  
HTh, maybe I am missing something here. I think that if the pivot point on the part that bolts to the axle is in the same horizontal line as the lift arm pivot point, you would not need the dog leg.
In the parts list there is a very short piece of angle iron that bolts to the axle. If you were to use that angle iron you would need the dog leg. That is shown in stabilizer kit picture 05D05 and is for the 3000. The stabilizer kit that I am looking at is 05D06 for the 4000 and a change was made in 1970.

I must be missing the point that you are telling me and that would not be a first for me.

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3000OH

02-24-2008 20:56:53




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 Re: stablizer bars in reply to Charlie C., 02-22-2008 17:32:06  
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Does your 3 pt linkage attach point look like this? If so, then the square bars should work ok.The 2000"s/3000"s are much different - a mounting pin on both sides of the differential, with notches cast into the axle housing above the pins, so that as the linkage arms raise, the bars won"t hit the axle. The axles don"t have similar notches cast out where the stab bars raise, hence the need for dog leg bars. Sorry, I can"t find a decent pix of it out on ebay right now.

If this is how your 4000 mount is, then sorry for the confusion.

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Charlie C.

02-20-2008 17:22:15




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 Re: stablizer bars in reply to Boley, 02-12-2008 17:26:13  
HTH that is ok. I have been thinking about how I could build one of these.third party image

But not at $85 plus $30 shipping.

I am kind of limited to what I can get a chance to look at as we do not have any large tractor dealers in our area.

Thanks for the reply I will be doing some more looking.

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3000OH

02-21-2008 18:30:55




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 Re: stablizer bars in reply to Charlie C., 02-20-2008 17:22:15  
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The blue bars looks like a good strong design...but where"s the dog leg in this bar? Like that in the red circle on the right side image?

I realize you"re thinking of making a set - are you planning to cut tubing at angles and weld it to form the dog legs? Otherwise, a setup like the blue arms in the left image are probably going to hit your axles before the lift gets to the full-up position. Also, remember that whatever axle brackets you make or buy - the pin hole (red arrow) has to be ** directly ** in line with the 3-pt pin on your differential housing or you"ll have some bad binding of the linkage on the way up or down. Remember also that a loader frame that also bolts here will then require different pin locations than stock (been there, done that). HTH.

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Charlie C.

02-16-2008 20:16:41




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 Re: stablizer bars in reply to Texasmark, 02-12-2008 17:26:13  
This is just to see if I can get a reply on which kit number I need to be looking for as it seems that ford had two stabilizer bar kits for this tractor.



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Charlie C.

02-13-2008 18:58:30




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 Re: stablizer bars in reply to Dean, 02-12-2008 17:26:13  
3000 I don't have a problem making what I need, I just need to know what is the correct one for my tractor.
Any thing that was on the tractor for a stabilizer has been removed.

That was the reason for the question is the kit # that is shown on the NH parts page what I need to be looking for. Kit #05D06 is what I think is correct but I don't really know.



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3000OH

02-19-2008 18:39:31




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 Re: stablizer bars in reply to Charlie C., 02-13-2008 18:58:30  
Sorry, I see you posted this almost a wk ago. I think 05D05, not 05D06, is what you"re after. 05D05 has these 3 kits listed:
1) Part # C5NNN904F: Cat. I, Start Year: 01/01/1965; and
2) Part # C5NNN904F: Cat. I, Start Year: 11/01/1970; and
3) Part # C5NNN904G: Dual Cat. Replaces C5NN-N904-E, Start Year: 01/01/1965.

05D06 appears to have straight arm bars only and might have clearance issues. As I mentioned originally, check with a 4000 owner...or go to a dealer.

HTH

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Charlie C.

02-13-2008 12:11:09




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 Re: stablizer bars in reply to Texasmark, 02-12-2008 17:26:13  
Sound, the parts that I would be looking for are parts as shown in kit #05D06 is that not right?

I am trying to get an idea of what the parts would look like when I see them.

I am looking at the NH parts & Service page.



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Charlie C.

02-13-2008 08:55:00




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 Re: stablizer bars in reply to Brian in MA, 02-12-2008 17:26:13  
Too late Soundguy I bent the lift pin on the blade and the tap that it bolts into. It was not hard to repair though. That was what prompted my question about the ridge stabilizer bars.

The answers from WM and 3000 got me to really looking at the parts list,I have it on CD, and found them. Now I need to find them.

I probably will not do a lot of pushing with this blade and know I will not if I can find a FEL.

Like the rest of the country we really got hammered with the snow and my snow plow just got over powered. The plow a 10 ft. on a 5 yard dump truck.

I grew up with tractors until I was 20, that was 48 years ago and have a lot to catch up on with Ag tractors.

Thanks for the input fellows, it is appreciated.

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3000OH

02-13-2008 17:33:54




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 Re: stablizer bars in reply to Charlie C., 02-13-2008 08:55:00  
Soundguy is right about bulldozing, I"m careful with ours even though I added stiffeners. The dog-leg bars" geometry makes "em even more prone to folding up on you when pushing in reverse. Even without bars, I read about guys taking running starts at piles of snow and think...they"ll be sorry, sooner or later.

I think I saw these dog-leg bars ref"d on the Tisco web site (but it was just text, no pix). Tisco site is wholesale only but if you can get a part number then dealers can order for you. Tisco should be able to tell you who those are in your area. TSC around here will sometimes do some special ordering, for example - particularly if I have all the Tisco numbers. CNH (Ford) dealer here will also order from Tisco if it"s a part no longer available from CNH.

Have also seen them on ebay from time to time.

If you can"t find them ready-made, then a welding shop should be able to do this for you. It isn"t that complicated...measure a straight bar"s pin-to-pin distance and have a shop plasma-cut a dog-leg version, drill/plasma 2 holes, and you"re in business. If you want to get fancy, add a turnbuckle on one and stiffening ribs on the sides of both of them. That dog-leg angle is what you"ll have to figure, and that"s dependent on the width of the bar stock that you choose. I fab'd our template out of cardboard and tacked it together at the correct angle with a hot melt glue gun.

HTH.

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souNdguy

02-13-2008 11:31:41




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 Re: stablizer bars in reply to Charlie C., 02-13-2008 08:55:00  
Good luck on finding hte old style 'bent' bars. they are out there.. just got to search for them.

soundguy



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souNdguy

02-13-2008 07:28:57




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 Re: stablizer bars in reply to Charlie C., 02-12-2008 17:26:13  
As 3000 mentions.. there were 'bent' rigid stabilizer bars available.
Also.. be advised.. a farm tractor and rear blade are not a bulldozer... you will likely bend something pushing in reverse... 3pt is great at pulling a blade.. not so good at pushing one.

soundguy



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WMKoch

02-12-2008 17:51:26




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 Re: stablizer bars in reply to Charlie C., 02-12-2008 17:26:13  
Hello, There should be brackets underneath your rear axle below your fenders. Held in place with the fender bolts. There should be a pin to connect that end of the stablizer bars to with a cinch pin. The other end of the bars attach at the same point as your blade attaches to the three point, with the same cinch pins that hold the lower part of the three point to your blade.



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3000OH

02-12-2008 18:21:38




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 Re: stablizer bars in reply to WMKoch, 02-12-2008 17:51:26  
In addition to those brackets...Someone with a 68-75 4000 will have to check my answer here...but standard arrow-straight stab bars may not work. If your axle has notches cast in it for the 3 pt lift arms to fully lift, then you"ll need a set of dog-leg stab bars, because the axles won"t have corresponding cast cut-outs for them and the bars will hit the axles before fully lifting. Definitely hard on the bars (no, we didn"t find this out the hard way). At least that"s how our 3000 is.

Had same problem as you, built a set a few months ago (think we have the same quick-attach setup as you but we bought ours from manufacturer - love it). Made one side adjustable with a big turnbuckle welded into it, since not all implements have the same pin-to-pin spacing. Also welded stiffener plates down sides of each stab bar.

Remember to check my answer before jumping to get dog-leg bars.

If you don"t have brackets like described in previous post, might check this Yesterday"s Tractors site parts section. These brackets tend to be universal fit (we bought some for a 9N and they had multiple spacings). A good welding shop can make some. Whatever route you take for the brackets, make sure that the pin holes are exactly opposite the lift pins on the tranny (front-to-back and up-and-down). Otherwise, the geometry will get you all jammed up when you try to lift something. Measuring this can be a bit of a bugger, laying upside down underneath the tractor.

HTH

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