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3000 gas doesn't want to run without choke on.

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Bill in Missour

03-06-2008 20:39:41




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I have a 73 3000 gas, rebuilt the carb but it still doesn't want to run without the choke being pulled out at least half way. Any ideas? Maybe ignition?




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NWMO 901 SOS

03-24-2008 11:16:46




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 Re: 3000 gas doesn't want to run without choke on. in reply to cdv, 03-06-2008 20:39:41  

Bill in Missouri said: (quoted from post at 12:12:56 03/23/08) Chris, I'm at Bethany just 60 miles east of you. I've got a brother in Maryville so i'm over there every once in a while. Bill


Good afternoon Bill,

I was wondering if you could help me out. I spoke with a gentleman and looked at his used implements etc. last summer when I was buying my brush cutter. He collects all sorts of stuff and has a place on the corner of the main drag just across from the old appliance store that closed down last summer. I am pricing and considering a chipper and wanted to know if he ever sees them around. Would you have any info. or phone # on him? Thanks for the help. :D
Chris

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NWMO 901 SOS

03-22-2008 20:30:12




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 Re: 3000 gas doesn't want to run without choke on. in reply to Billy NY, 03-06-2008 20:39:41  

Bill in Missouri said: (quoted from post at 20:26:26 03/21/08) Thanks guys. I found the problem, turns out it was the kit, gasket didn't have a hole where it should of been, I put a hole in it and it runs fine now. I installed a Pertronix kit in the distributor too, Improves the starting. Where are you at NWMO 90 SOS ? I'm northwest mo too.


Good evening Bill,

Glad to hear you got your tractor running. I'm in Barnard, just southeast of Maryville. Just got some weights for my old 901 and hope to get them on soon. Where are you?

Chris

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Bill in Missouri

03-23-2008 10:12:56




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 Re: 3000 gas doesn't want to run without choke on. in reply to NWMO 901 SOS, 03-22-2008 20:30:12  
Chris, I'm at Bethany just 60 miles east of you. I've got a brother in Maryville so i'm over there every once in a while. Bill



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Bill in Missouri

03-21-2008 18:26:26




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 Re: 3000 gas doesn't want to run without choke on. in reply to Bill in Missouri, 03-06-2008 20:39:41  
Thanks guys. I found the problem, turns out it was the kit, gasket didn't have a hole where it should of been, I put a hole in it and it runs fine now. I installed a Pertronix kit in the distributor too, Improves the starting. Where are you at NWMO 90 SOS ? I'm northwest mo too.



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wedge40

03-07-2008 09:41:48




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 Re: 3000 gas doesn't want to run without choke on. in reply to Bill in Missouri, 03-06-2008 20:39:41  
I had the same problem a few years back, after hours, days, weeks of trying to figure out what was wrong it ended up being the fuel shut off valve. So dont rule out the simple things. But hey, I ended up with a new Zenith carb and an electronic ignition. A bit pricey, but it starts like a champ. Well untill I encount my current electrical issue.

Wedge



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phall49

03-07-2008 04:42:15




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 Re: 3000 gas doesn't want to run without choke on. in reply to Bill in Missouri, 03-06-2008 20:39:41  
I had same problem on a 2000,I was advised here to replace the Holly with a zenith carb.
It was the best 300 I have spent.Completely eliminated a lot of problems.These guys on this forum are great!
Pete



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3000OH

03-07-2008 17:49:34




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 Re: 3000 gas doesn't want to run without choke on. in reply to phall49, 03-07-2008 04:42:15  
Check the archives! Many posts about this. I learned my lesson, too. Holleys were killer carbs for the 60"s-70"s street rodders but they were a bum design for your tractor. Our Zenith was money well spent. And, like the other guy, we put electronic sparkies on and it got even better.



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Dean

03-07-2008 03:47:50




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 Re: 3000 gas doesn't want to run without choke on. in reply to Bill in Missouri, 03-06-2008 20:39:41  
Bill:

Holley carburetors are more sophisticated than MS carbs, and it is essential that they be rebuilt correctly to perform properly.

I have learned through experience to not use aftermarket rebuild kits when rebuilding Holley carbs but, rather, bite the bullet for $80+ for the correct kit at CNH. There are many aftermarket kits for Holley carbs available that are absolutely trash, and cause more problems than they solve.

Take both your tractor serial number and your carburetor number to CNH when you order your kit. There is more than one version of the Holley carb and installation of the wrong kit can cause problems like you describe. Unless you are experienced with Holley carbs you will likely not notice the differences in the parts.

Once you have the correct kit, get the factory float setting from your CNH service manager or buy a Ford mamual. Holley carbs have a vacuum operated accelerator pump making them sensitive to float adjustment. Try to get the float adjustment within 1/32". I believe the factory specs are to 1/64" but that is a lot to ask.

Make sure that the accellerator pump operates freely within its bore. Your engine will not run correctly if it does not.

Finally, check the bores in the air horn casting where the float pin goes. It is common for the steel pin to wear the zinc diecast holes egg-shaped making proper float adjustment impossible. If yours is so worn, post back and I'll relate an easy and effective way to repair it.

Dean

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GlenIdaho

03-07-2008 03:18:43




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 Re: 3000 gas doesn't want to run without choke on. in reply to Bill in Missouri, 03-06-2008 20:39:41  
Bill,

When you cleaned the carb did you soak it in carb cleaner over night and the blow all the passages out with compressed air? Sometime dirt gets lodged in one of the jets and won't come out without a good soak and air.

Does your fuel cap have a vent? Sometimes they plug up and won't let the fuel flow. Try loosening the cap.

Pull the fuel line at the carb and let it run for a bit to make sure you have a good flow to the carb.

It could also be a vaccum leak. Check the seals on throttle shaft and the intake manifold.

It could also be your ignition. You should have a fat, blue-white spark. Hope this helps.

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John_PA

03-07-2008 00:23:22




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 Re: 3000 gas doesn't want to run without choke on. in reply to Bill in Missouri, 03-06-2008 20:39:41  
What Chris said.

Also, how did you rebuild the carb? How long was it setting before you rebuilt? What did you use to rebuild? You have to be careful with brass. you can't use steel to clean brass.
It sounds like a restriction problem, or a water problem. is there water in the gas tank? That sounds like a problem with water. if the choke makes it run, you have good flow from teh tank, but it is being restricted in the carb. That carb has some small passages. are they all open? you might want to double check all of that.
the best I can tell you is that you are not getting enough gas and since it wrks on choke, you have a restriction inside the carb. it could be water, or it could be blockage in a jet.
you might want to send the carb off to a profesional, and drain everything fromt eh gas tank, and start fresh. that will give you the best results.
I have dealt with water issues a lot, in my years.
this sounds typical of that scenario. Also, on occasion, if I am rebuilding for someoen else, I find th carb is just plugged up.
good luck to you.

pictures would be helpful! digital cameras are cheap in this day and age. They provide a lot more than what you coudl tell us in words.

please let us know what you find

John

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NWMO 901 SOS

03-06-2008 20:58:52




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 Re: 3000 gas doesn't want to run without choke on. in reply to Fordfarmer, 03-06-2008 20:39:41  

Bill in Missouri said: (quoted from post at 23:39:41 03/06/08) I have a 73 3000 gas, rebuilt the carb but it still doesn't want to run without the choke being pulled out at least half way. Any ideas? Maybe ignition?


Good evening Bill,

If it runs ok with choke part way out, that would lead me to believe spark/timing is probably ok. When the choke is required that typically indicates a fuel restriction, not enough fuel. First thing to do, if you havn't already, would be to pull the drain on the bottom of the carb and make sure you get a good steady flow (assuming there is a drain of the bottom of the newer carbs). A lot of the guys like to drain a gallon or two into a bucket this way to confirm. May have a screen with blockage. I'm not as familiar w/ thousand series, but the NH parts site shows a couple of filters that should be checked.

Best of Luck

Chris

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