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A few tech Q's on my 'new' Jubilee

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verticaltrx

04-09-2008 20:12:44




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I just purchased a Jubilee for use as a light utility tractor and I have a few tech questions for the Ford experts:
1. The hydraulics of the 3pt hitch were recently rebuilt by the previous owner and they do not operate as I think they should. It lifts a heavy load ok, but it bobs at a quick rate at full height with a load. Also it seems as though the position of the lever is only a suggestion as to where the 3pt actually is. It holds fine if its all the way up, but anywhere in the middle it slowly leaks down for a long time until it finally raises. Interestingly with the tractor turned off it holds a load at full height just fine. Suggestions on where to start?

2.I would like to add a remote valve to the tractor. What options are available? Is there anything still available similar to the OEM two-way remote that bolts to the hydraulic lift cover? Any way to tap the existing block off plate and plumb in my own SCV?

3. The rear main seal is basically shot, with it being a 2-piece seal would it be possible to replace it without splitting the tractor? (rotate the old seal out and new seal in around the crank) I've done this on automotive engines, but not sure if it could be done with this engine, any insight?
4. The tractor has a swinging draw bar kit installed but I'm missing the main pin that holds the draw bar in, under the tractor. It appears to use a ~1" dia. pin, maybe 3" long, straight sided with a hole in it. Is there a part number for this or a place where I could find one, or should I just make one out of some round stock?

Sorry for the long winded questions, I did spend a good bit of time searching the board before I posted. Thanks in advance.

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verticaltrx

04-10-2008 06:08:33




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 Re: A few tech Q's on my 'new' Jubilee in reply to verticaltrx, 04-09-2008 20:12:44  
As for the rear main seal, unfortunately I know that the engine is the culprit and not the transmission. When I got the tractor it was about 3/4qt low on engine oil so I filled it to the top of the hatch marks on the dipstick. Used the tractor about 30 min and parked it. Came back 2hrs later and there was a big puddle of oil under the tractor and was dripping from where the engine and tranny meet. I checked the oil and sure enough it was already down to the bottom of the hatch marks on the dipstick. Time to pull the engine and reseal?
With the remote I need it set up with a complete SCV, to run double acting cylinders and the 3pt needs to function as well. I assume that the OEM remote was such, and operated completely independently from the 3pt? If so could a new option cover be made that had provisions for the pressure and return of oil to an SCV? What am I looking for when I pull said cover to determine which ports to tap into? If it comes down to it I'll mill out an entire SCV like the original (a big project I know), but I'd rather just mill out a new option plate and run lines to an off the shelf SCV. Ideas?

BTW, I have the FO-19 service manual, and the OEM service manual and owners manual should be arriving soon.

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souNdguy

04-10-2008 06:21:59




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 Re: A few tech Q's on my 'new' Jubilee in reply to verticaltrx, 04-10-2008 06:08:33  
If you need 3pt and remotes to function at the same time, you will need the oem valve for the NAA.. or a converter block i have seen that lets the NAA use the later style ford valves.

OR, .. it sounds like you are a machinist.. I guess you could 'from scratch' just make your own, and make a block that grabs the oil, routes it to an oc valve, and returns the oil back to the block where it would go to the next thing in line... the 3pt lift..

You could also rig up an engine mounted pump.. either crank or from a belt and hang a pump.. and make remotes that way..

soundguy

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verticaltrx

04-10-2008 06:51:47




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 Re: A few tech Q's on my 'new' Jubilee in reply to souNdguy, 04-10-2008 06:21:59  

souNdguy said: (quoted from post at 06:21:59 04/10/08) If you need 3pt and remotes to function at the same time, you will need the oem valve for the NAA.. or a converter block i have seen that lets the NAA use the later style ford valves.

OR, .. it sounds like you are a machinist.. I guess you could 'from scratch' just make your own, and make a block that grabs the oil, routes it to an oc valve, and returns the oil back to the block where it would go to the next thing in line... the 3pt lift..

You could also rig up an engine mounted pump.. either crank or from a belt and hang a pump.. and make remotes that way..

soundguy


The converter block that you speak of is exactly what I was thinking about(except route it to a off-the-shelf SCV, not necessarily a Ford one). Would this be a CNH part, or something aftermarket?
Does anyone have any good pictures of this converter block, or even better, an OEM remote setup?

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Brian in MA

04-10-2008 11:33:01




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 Re: A few tech Q's on my 'new' Jubilee in reply to verticaltrx, 04-10-2008 06:51:47  
Does that tractor utilize the hydraulic system that would take a HV 4901/5902 plate for remote hydraulic use? That plate is only $50 on this site and would save a ton of machining and research, and I think it's exactly what you need to do what you want. I am not a Jub guy, I don't know if it's the same. Soundguy? Rod?



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souNdguy

04-10-2008 04:51:15




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 Re: A few tech Q's on my 'new' Jubilee in reply to verticaltrx, 04-09-2008 20:12:44  
I'll bet you have a slight leak int he lift.. may be a bad spot in the lift cyl where some pits allow oil thru.. or a dirty relief valve.. the bobing you see is usually a leakdown and regeneration in the unloading valve circuit.. lift raises.. shuts off control valve.. bleeds down to the point that the valve turns back on, thus lifting back up to set level again... this makes for a little bit of a bobbing.... especially seen at full height where the linkage shuts off at max lift height anyway.

if it holds decently, and you can live with the slight bob.. I probably wouldn't mess with it .. but if it bothers you.. you can for sure tear into it.

Remotes.. as others indicated.. the remote for the NAA is a wee bit hard to come by... however.. you can do the 'cheat' that many do and chanin the upper lift arms to your rear axle and then puill the plug on that small funny option cover ont he front corner of the lift cover, and run a hose from there to a open center spool...IF SA, you simply lift the 3pt lever to power the remote cyl ( can do this without a spool for SA applications.. just run hose to the cyl..) then lower the 3pt handle to let oil exhaust... If it is a da spool, then you will need to run it's return line via hose over to your hyd fill cap.. drill and tap the cap for a fitting, and screw your line into there.. Lift the 3pt handle to get oil flowing thru the OC remote to the sump.. then plumb your lines as needed from the spool to their cylinders.. it's for sure the low tech way.. but works. many of us that need a single SA hyd tap are doing / have done this to get out of buying a 300-800 dollar hyd valve that fits the lift cover correctly and allows the 3pt to function..

soundguy

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Dell (WA)

04-09-2008 21:37:02




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 Re: A few tech Q's on my 'new' Jubilee in reply to verticaltrx, 04-09-2008 20:12:44  
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verticaltrx..... ...you write..... .."3. The rear main seal is basically shot, with it being a 2-piece seal would it be possible to replace it without splitting the tractor? (rotate the old seal out and new seal in around the crank) I've done this on automotive engines, but not sure if it could be done with this engine, any insight?" ..... ....yep, them hi-tech jingle-jangle tranny anti-clog cotter-keys workin' eh?

As a general rule, the 2-piece rope crankshaft seal is "semi-bulletproof" and doesn't leak. But the tranny input shaft seal ($3, cheap) LEAKS from OVERFILLED tranny oil. Most trannys gitt overfilled from rainwater thru cracked and rotted tranny shifter boot. ($5, cheap) Probably good idea to drain yer chocolate colored tranny oil.

Pull one of yer 6"-plate tranny dipstick bottom bolts and lett'chur overfill drain dribble down the side overnite. That will be yer correct dipstick level. Mark yer dipstick with new level, not all dipsticks are accurate. Lotta dipsticks say full with all cylinders extended. The only cylinder you have is the 1-cup 3-point hydraulic lift, so don't worry about it. Overfilled tranny oil will splash out yer trumpet mouths and greese yer brakes. not good.

You write..... .."4. The tractor has a swinging draw bar kit installed but I'm missing the main pin that holds the draw bar in, under the tractor. It appears to use a ~1" dia. pin, maybe 3" long, straight sided with a hole in it. Is there a part number for this or a place where I could find one, or should I just make one out of some round stock?" ..... ...heres pictures of 2-types of swinging drawbar 1"-pins. Mine is still slightly different and uses a linch-pin to lockitt inplace in the SDB clevis hanger under diffy. ($5, cheap) Just go to yer local tractor parts and start wavin' yer hands (grin)

Dang, you been lookin' in the archives??? Will wonders never cease. That really pleases me. Recommend you squander $25 (cheap) for I&T FO-19 manual for your new-to-you NAA Jubilee ..... .HTH, Dell

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ericlb

04-09-2008 20:33:06




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 Re: A few tech Q's on my 'new' Jubilee in reply to verticaltrx, 04-09-2008 20:12:44  
well i might help a little, on your 3 point, just asking, as im sure you have already checked, but is the little lever under the right side of the seat up or down? on my jubilee i do have a remote added on top of the lift assembly it seems to be a scarce option, but you might find one on e bay, on the draw bar, i used a hitch pit the proper diameter, it hangs down under the tractor but hasnt caused any problems its been there for at least 10 years, if i remember the hard part was getting the little pin in the hole on the hitch pin while up in the mount under the tractor,

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verticaltrx

04-09-2008 20:51:16




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 Re: A few tech Q's on my 'new' Jubilee in reply to ericlb, 04-09-2008 20:33:06  
Thanks for the info. The little lever is up, in position control mode. I'll keep my eye out for one of those factory remote valves, I'm not very hopeful I'll find one though.



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