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first time buying from a dealer ~ tips

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arod

04-16-2008 11:17:22




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There is a ford TW-30 that I have caught interest in at the local John Deere dealership. The tractor has 7900 hours but appears to be in great shape, and has the dealers' sticker on the side of it, as if the same dealership serviced that tractor for the last 5 or 10 years of use.

Now, I have NEVER purchased a tractor from a dealer. Have purchased cars from auto dealers though of course. Similar ?

What are common practice, succesful negotions comprised of at a dealer on a used tractor?

Of course I would ask they:

  • run the tractor in all gears

  • attach the 3pt to something on their lot and lift and down pressure it

  • attach the PTO to an implement and spin it

  • test out all the cab options, including the AC on a warm day =)

But little things like broken door handles, mangled steps to the cab, missing headlights, missing top link for 3pt, etc...

Is it frowned upon to get picky and ask they repair a few of these items upon purchase deal?

Like, they are asking 8,900 for the tractor. Is it reasonable to ask they include the top link and fix the door if I pay their asking price?

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sotxbill

04-18-2008 13:46:15




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 Re: first time buying from a dealer ~ tips in reply to arod, 04-16-2008 11:17:22  
if you buy from the dealer, you of course will pay the premium price..

but...

you should get a minimal warantee of 6 months or more so if its a dog, you can have them make it right. most will offer you the money on an another tractor.. dont do it.. tell them to make it right or keep on fixing it forever till its right... thats why you pay the premium price.. for the peace of mind. dont let them use a lemon to sucker you into a new tractor... one dealer sold a piece of junk 10 times and each time made the buyer apply the money to a new tractor... which is what the dealer wanted all along...

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kyplowboy

04-18-2008 00:06:01




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 Re: first time buying from a dealer ~ tips in reply to arod, 04-16-2008 11:17:22  
I would ask for a number of last owner if it was a local trade. Buddy of mine traded a 7840 about a year ago that was a total POS. (I know kinda odd but that one was). He had alot of people call about it. After about 9 months, dealer dropped the price in fastline, and ended up take'n it to auction. Guess no one came back to kick the tires after talking to the last owner.

As for ask'n bout small stuff, my brother bought a 5610 II from a dealer about the first of the year. They would not drop the asking price much. The QT loader did not have stands, he said the price would not be bad if it had'm. The sales man took stands off another Bush Hog loader and took one of them to the shop and had a guy start make'n a new set, gave my brother the painted ones. Just before he said deal baby brother said "I don't know, it shure is a long way to drive the thing home as cold as it is." Before he got it out of his mouth the sales man was flip'n the ramps on trailer for him.

Good luck, if the dealer wants it gone they will help you out.

Dave

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Fordfarmer

04-16-2008 15:43:51




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 Re: first time buying from a dealer ~ tips in reply to arod, 04-16-2008 11:17:22  
Rod and Brian have it well covered, but I'd add to put it on their dyno if you don't get the chance to run it in your field. A dyno can get it up to operating temp and show all kinds of things that might not show up just running it around the lot. Don't always believe the h.p. numbers from adealer's dyno though- they can make them read different from actual. (like my 9600 only making 85 h.p. when I traded it- I watched him run it, made him change 1 thing, and all of a sudden it's 140 h.p.!)

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RodInNS

04-16-2008 15:22:35




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 Re: first time buying from a dealer ~ tips in reply to arod, 04-16-2008 11:17:22  
Questions you should be asking: 1. Has the engine been done?
2. Have the hydraulic pumps been replaced?
3. Has the power steering pump been replaced?
4. Has there been dual power or other transmission work?
5. What's been done to the front axle/pivot area.

These tractors were designed with an intended 10000 hour service life. If it's been used hard or neglected it could be a basket case that somebody just decided to 'get gone', or it could be a real nice tractor yet with a lot of life in it... Check into those areas though. I know I would. That's not a remark on the TW's specifically but Ford's of that vintage in general. Price is probably average which makes me think they've probably got a basket case they want to pawn of on someone... That's fine if you get it for a basket case price.

Rod

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Brian in MA

04-16-2008 11:40:51




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 Re: first time buying from a dealer ~ tips in reply to arod, 04-16-2008 11:17:22  
My experience is if they want to sell it, they will cater to you. I would either ask for the items fixed or expect the deduction from the price accordingly, or the price may already reflect those "issues." Many dealers would rather give you the parts and let you fix because the labor in the shop gets put against their cost and profit on the used tractor sale at full price ($60-120/hour, adds up quick). Further, the shop labor tend to "camp out" on the used in-house equipment more than the customer equipment. I would also ask for a test-drive on the equipment. Have it delivered and use it on your farm for a day or two and see how it runs/works on your terms, but be ready to pay for trucking if you don't buy it. You test drive a car on the road, why not test the TW on your plows in your field? If you are serious, in my experience, they will let you do this. If you are just kicking tires, you will have a hard time ever getting that service on a second tractor you want to try out. We bought a 2120 years ago and went through it with a fine tooth comb and ended up with a new rear tire, new top link, they had to split the tractor to do PTO clutch work and we had them throw a brush hog in on the deal before we signed the papers. It's a lot harder to get the stuff fixed if it isn't part of your deal. The worst case is they say no. Then you decide how much you want it and what is the value of the risk you are taking.

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