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Bob Jarvis

05-01-2008 16:46:52

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OK, this is starting to annoy me. In the past few months I've burned up three condensers on my 3000. Tractor starts running rough, missing, etc. Change the condenser, all is well - for about two or three starts, then bang-pop-sputter again. Had it out yesterday tilling the garden and grading the driveway and all was fine. Today went out to do some brush-hogging and bang-sputter-pop again! I had a problem last summer with the voltage regulator and had the local New Holland dealer change it out, and it was afterwards that the condenser problems started. I've looked through the service manual and the test-and-adjust procedure for the voltage regulator seems a bit daunting. Could it be something like a reverse-polarized generator? Anybody got any ideas? Thanks.

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Dell (WA)

05-01-2008 19:42:54

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Re: Burning up condensers on a 3000 in reply to Bob Jarvis, 05-01-2008 16:46:52

Bob..... ..generally condensers are good for about 200volts, so unless ya gotta 240v genny, donnna worry about what the dealer did to yer voltage regulator muckin'-up yer condensers. Ain't gonnna happen.

BUT..... condensers are known to be BAD outta the box. Buy yer next condenser at a different parts store, like NAPA. Why? different condenser manufacturer or different "batch". New condenser $5 (cheap)..... ..Dell, yer self-appointed sparkie-meister

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Bob Jarvis

05-02-2008 04:02:15

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Re: Burning up condensers on a 3000 in reply to Dell (WA), 05-01-2008 19:42:54

Yeah, I'd thought of the "bad batch" thing. I went down to the NH dealer last month and bought a few condensers and found that I got an old one, complete with Ford part number and everything. The old one has the mounting bracket glued to the condenser, while the newer ones have the bracket spot-welded to the body of the condenser. Hmmmm... Well, I'll put the old Ford-labeled part in tomorrow, fire it up, and see how it goes. I'll also give the points a once-over with some emery cloth just to put a shine on 'em. Last time I had the distributor open the points looked a little blue - from arcing for a few minutes with a bad condenser, I imagine - but after replacing the condenser all was well - until last night. After reading through the manual last night I'm also going to check to be sure that the voltage regulator they put in matches the generator (it's a gas 3000 so according to the manual it should have an 11-amp generator, and you'd hope the dealer would put in the 11-amp regulator, but you don't know until you check, I guess). That and I should probably polarize the generator, just to be sure. Hey, I'm learnin'. :-)

I've got another question, sorta related. In the service manual there's a couple pictures of the guts of the distributor. In one picture the ground wire is attached to the points - in the other it's attached to the condenser. When I first opened up the distributor on my tractor the ground wire was attached to the points and that's how I've always put it back together. I'm just wondering if a bad ground could cause arcing in/around the condenser, somehow shortening its life. (Grasping at straws here...) Could/should I put together a second ground wire and run one wire to the points and the other to the condenser? Just a-thinkin'...

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Dell (WA)

05-02-2008 09:47:00

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Re: Burning up condensers on a 3000 in reply to Bob Jarvis, 05-02-2008 04:02:15

Bob..... ..guess what? when you mount yer points, the bottom half is connected directly to GROUND. Yer condenser wire goes to the INSULATED moving half of yer points. The condenser is suppost to protect the points from ARCing and burning. It will NOT protect yer points from invisible corrosion that frequently happens when not constantly used. I recommend the 1$ treatment for points. CLAMP a dollar bill between the points and pullet thru. It will polish the invisible corrosion OFF. Too expensive a treatment, tear a strip of brown paper grocery sack and pullet thru the closed points.

Yeah, you can used emery, files, sandpaper to polish yer point and you will BURN yer points and haffta replace them within about 10-hrs.

DON'T USE the "glued" condenser. Why? 'cuz glue is INSULATOR and causes BAD GROUNDS and BURNED points..... ...Dell, yer self-appointed sparkie-meister

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05-03-2008 03:14:43

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Re: Burning up condensers on a 3000 in reply to Dell (WA), 05-02-2008 09:47:00

I have 6 new condensers for 49 up Ford cars & trucks,They have a seperate mounting band.I cant see why anyone would glue a mount clip on a condenser.I saw some transistors in a to3 case that were painted blue.This insulated the collector lead in Ford auto radios.

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