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Ford 200, 1964 Gas - Left wheel leaking fluid

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John Skolits

05-05-2008 03:49:56

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My tractor started leaking fluid from the left wheel. It kind of looks like transmission fluid? Any ideas? I have an operator�s manual for the tractor and it has the transmission fluid capacity but doesn't show how to check the level or the type of fluid. It drips constantly regardless of whether the tractor is moving or not.

In addition, the left brake never worked since I got the tractor it in the fall. Think it's related?

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John Skolits

05-06-2008 12:02:07

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Re: Ford 200, 1964 Gas - Left wheel leaking fluid in reply to John Skolits, 05-05-2008 03:49:56

I called New Holland and bought thier's for $71. Maybe the parts list is included with the more expensive ones? But, I can get to all the drawing and part numbers from the New Holland web site (I was very impressed with their web site for parts listing and drawing blowouts.)

That should do it for now. Thanks for everyone's help.

John

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MarkB_MI

05-06-2008 16:43:03

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Re: Ford 200, 1964 Gas - Left wheel leaking fluid in reply to John Skolits, 05-06-2008 12:02:07

John, I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to respond sooner, but the 40060090 manual is the one you want and I'm certain that they are all the same as long as you have the publication number right. You won't get any parts breakdown in that manual, regardless of the source.

Good luck.

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John Skolits

05-06-2008 04:32:12

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Re: Ford 200, 1964 Gas - Left wheel leaking fluid in reply to John Skolits, 05-05-2008 03:49:56

OK, so I went out shopping for a manual and the prices are all over the place ($31 - $118). There are different types of manuals, but not sure which is the proper one. New Holland has one for $71 while Yeterday's Tractor Today has the same publication (#40060090) for $131.

I placed a bunch of links on my site for the various prices.

http://www.corporatedatadesign.com/Ford2000Tractor.htm

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John Skolits

05-05-2008 19:11:59

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Re: Ford 200, 1964 Gas - Left wheel leaking fluid in reply to John Skolits, 05-05-2008 03:49:56

The first reservoir I checked was for the hydraulic fluid. I know that now because of the drawings and the dip stick (located on the opposite side) also showed a cream colored liquid. The second plug was the differential. So both of them take the same kind of fluid (New Holland 134)? The manual says 8 Qts M-4864A or 8 Qts M-2c41for the hydraulic and the differential is SAE 80.

Also, you said 3 reservoirs. I only saw plugs for 2, one for the differential fluid and the other for hydraulic. Of course there is also the engine oil and transmission, but I'll do those later.
I placed images of the lubrication pages of the manuals on the website. Here again is the link:

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<"...buy the factory service manual..." >

It seems you have to buy the manual for a bunch of years and it cost over $100. That sound right?

<"Remember, these tractors were intended to be maintained by farmers and they aren't that difficult to work on.">

That's good news.

Not sure if it has ballast. I guess I'll find out.

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MarkB_MI

05-06-2008 03:11:19

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Re: Ford 200, 1964 Gas - Left wheel leaking fluid in reply to John Skolits, 05-05-2008 19:11:59

Although the original recommendation was to use SAE 80 in the transmission and differential, the current recommendation is to use 134 in all three. Some folks still use gear oil in the trans and diff, but it can leak past the seals and contaminate the hydraulic fluid. This is a big problem in cold climates. The transmission will shift a little smoother with the thinner oil as well.

The third reservoir I was referring to is the transmission. Since it's possible for oil from one reservoir to contaminate the others, I would change all three at the same time.

Yes the factory manual is expensive, but not because it covers so many years. The hundred series tractors (which includes the 4 cylinder 2000/4000) were mostly unchanged during their time of production. It's expensive because it is a very thick, very high quality manual. It was actually out of print for a while and unavailable. The last time I checked, you could order them directly off the New Holland website.

Good luck.

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John Skolits

05-05-2008 08:38:36

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Re: Ford 200, 1964 Gas - Left wheel leaking fluid in reply to John Skolits, 05-05-2008 03:49:56

I have a 4-speed transmission.

Here's a link to some pics showing where the leak is coming from and the different plugs I found.

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(Hopefully, the link will be accepted in the posting.)

Look at the pics and then my questions are:

1) Should I at least drain the excess fluid from the differential?.
2) Should I also do the same with the hydraulic fluid?
3) Replace the seal? Oh, boy, that probably means I need to pull off the tire? I can do that but I expect I'll need to jack up the tractor, buy a heavy duty Jack and Jack stand, and then remove the tire. How heavy is the tire anyway? Can I (a 165 lb weakling) do it? Is it difficult to replace the seal? Do I need special tooling? What do you think?
(p.s. I have replaced a few car head gaskets in my day, but don't want to venture into something new if I might really screw things up, or even worse, screw myself up.)

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MarkB_MI

05-05-2008 18:24:42

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Re: Ford 200, 1964 Gas - Left wheel leaking fluid in reply to John Skolits, 05-05-2008 08:38:36

You have water in your reservoirs. That's what is making your oil milky and that's why your differential is overfull. Completely drain all three reservoirs and refill with fresh New Holland 134. This may be enough to stop the leak. You'll still need to replace the axle seal when you do the brakes, but until then the harm is already done.

I've never done the axle seals on a standard tractor. I did it on my row crop, but it has a totally different axle design. My recommendation is that you buy the factory service manual, read the procedure and decide if you want to do it yourself. If the bearings are loose the new seal won't last, BTW.

Remember, these tractors were intended to be maintained by farmers and they aren't that difficult to work on.

How heavy the tire is depends on whether or not it is ballasted (filled with fluid). If it's ballasted it will be very heavy (several hundred pounds) and dangerous to handle alone. I used a "cherry picker" engine hoist to remove my tires and wheels. A ballasted tire is not difficult to handle if you can keep it upright; two people can remove and replace it.

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Brian Allen

05-05-2008 07:17:02

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Re: Ford 200, 1964 Gas - Left wheel leaking fluid in reply to John Skolits, 05-05-2008 03:49:56

Hi There will be fill level plugs (3) on the right of the tractor. (from the operators seat)
These will let oil out if it is overfull.
If no oil comes out - fill until there is.
Note: You should change it,if it has not been done in a couple of years, or you just bought the tractor.
Replace the seal and clean brake shoes& drum with brake cleaner.
Tractor fluid from any supplier is what you require.
Repost, (take a picture of your tractor & post too) when you are finished.
Be tractor safe.
Brian

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John Skolits

05-05-2008 05:45:49

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Re: Ford 200, 1964 Gas - Left wheel leaking fluid in reply to John Skolits, 05-05-2008 03:49:56

Well, I found the differential cavities. There were two large screw-on caps located on either side (about 3" in diameter). I removed each one and shined a flashlight inside. I didn't really see any fluid to speak of.

In addition, I've been running the tractor off and on since November and never saw this leak before. If it was overfilled, wouldn't it have shown up before? Maybe because it seems there is no fluid in the cavities, did it dry out some type of seal?

I didn't notice any capacity listing in the manual's "Specifications" listing for the 'differential'. But there is one for the rear axle ("Series 2000 - 8 US quarts). I assume it's the same as the differential? Is that 4 quarts per side? Or 8? How do I know if it's filled too much or has too little?

Finally, in the text it says use SAE 80. Since it's a manual written in the 60's, is that the same number I use today to go out and buy some? Or is it something like SEA 80-20 (Or something like that?)

I'm new with this tractor stuff, so sorry about all the questions.

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Dean

05-05-2008 07:28:07

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Re: Ford 200, 1964 Gas - Left wheel leaking fluid in reply to John Skolits, 05-05-2008 05:45:49

John:

The fill plug on the left is for the hydraulic sump. The one on the right atop the differential housing is for the differential.

The hydraulic sump has a dipstick on the left side inspection cover near the PTOI engagement lever. The differential has a level plug on the left side at the rear of the axle trumpet. Refer to your operator's manual.

If your differential cavity is much overfilled the seal between the hydraulic sump and the differential may have failed.

What transmission is in your tractor?

Dean

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Dean

05-05-2008 04:27:42

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Re: Ford 200, 1964 Gas - Left wheel leaking fluid in reply to John Skolits, 05-05-2008 03:49:56

John:

If your axle seal leaks without operation of your tractor, it sounds like your differential cavity is badly overfilled. Yes, oil leaking from the axle seal will ruin the brakes.

There is a level plug on the left side at the rear of the axle trumpet to check the oil level. Refer to your operator's manual.

Dean

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John Skolits

05-05-2008 03:50:55

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Re: Ford 200, 1964 Gas - Left wheel leaking fluid in reply to John Skolits, 05-05-2008 03:49:56

Sorry, it's a Ford 2000 not a Ford 200

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