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HeyPigFarmer

05-12-2008 07:58:33




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So in my never ending saga with our TW10 I ran through the I&T manual to get the differential lock working with no luck. So then I bought a ford repair manual and ran though it with no luck so I'm pretty certain the problem is inside the differential, has anyone had one of these apart and if so how much work is it?
One other bit of info I ran across in the ford manual was that it puts on hours at 1540rpm, so if it is running faster than this the hours can be put on faster like the odometer in your car. I was wondering if anyone knew if this was normal across all manufacturers or was ford trying something different?

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HeyPigFarmer

05-13-2008 05:15:21




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 Re: TW-10... Continuted in reply to HeyPigFarmer, 05-12-2008 07:58:33  
Bern: Thanks for the info on the rear end. As much as I like using the differential lock I don't feel it's worth that much trouble to make the thing work. As far as problems being rare on the thing. Everything anyone has said "You won't have a problem with that though" or "Problems like that are rare" it has had a problem with it. I swear it hears you and does it out of spite.
As far as the hours go, just curious. I finally paid attention to two tractors yesterday. My 4430 in 6hours at rated speed measured 6.1hrs. and the neighbors 1066 in 5hours measured 5.2 but we know that overspeeds a little bit.
If I remember correctly Deere didn't go to the little electric hour meter until the 50 series.

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RodInNS

05-13-2008 19:54:56




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 Re: TW-10... Continuted in reply to HeyPigFarmer, 05-13-2008 05:15:21  
I though the 40 series had electric everything, but I'm talking Manheim tractors... Dunno about the Waterloo's.

Rod



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TomTex

05-12-2008 13:03:09




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 Re: TW-10... Continuted in reply to HeyPigFarmer, 05-12-2008 07:58:33  
Yes my MF-690 registers one hour for every hour that the engine RPM has been held at 540 PTO RPM. In other words, it might have to idle 2 hours to register one hour; but, if pushed above 540 PTO RPM speed, then it could register 1 hour every 50 minutes or so. Tom



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Bern

05-12-2008 12:28:40




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 Re: TW-10... Continuted in reply to HeyPigFarmer, 05-12-2008 07:58:33  
Differential lock failures are pretty rare on those things. If indeed you need to go into it, you'll have to pull out the differential. This will require removing the cab, rear wheels, both final drives, and the 3-point lift cover. Then, the differential can be lifted out. It will be a bit of work.

Yes, the hour meter will spin faster if you are above that magic number. I think Deere used to be the same way. It's the only way those things can get some of the hours their owners claim.

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low budget

05-12-2008 20:57:44




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 Re: TW-10... Continuted in reply to Bern, 05-12-2008 12:28:40  
FYI Deere used to use rated engine speed. Usually 2200 or 2500 rpm depending on the model. (My 12000 hr JD 4020 actually has seen about 50 percent more use than my 12000 hr Ford 7700. Both real good tractors in my opinion) Newer tractors use an electric tach which records actual run time hours. Im not sure about other brands.



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RodInNS

05-13-2008 04:02:50




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 Re: TW-10... Continuted in reply to low budget, 05-12-2008 20:57:44  
Actually, I think that the Ford's represent a lot more accurate picture of their hours when they record at mid speed. They don't run full tilt all the time. Their PTO speed is at 18-1900 depending on model and they spend a certain percentage of their time below 1550..... so that's probably about where their average engine speed works out to be. I find that my TS90 with an electric tach seems to record about the same hours per year as my 7710 and they both get roughly the same amount of seat time.
I thought that the Deere's right back to the 30 series used an electric tach, so that's goig to record hour for hour ..... when it works.

Rod

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Keith Williams

05-13-2008 05:19:03




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 Re: TW-10... Continuted in reply to RodInNS, 05-13-2008 04:02:50  
Are the electric tach just an on/off electric or do they use the tach input from the alternator. If they use the alternator input, as I guess they do, they could pace the hour meter off of that and use the same system. Just curious?



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RodInNS

05-13-2008 19:57:04




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 Re: TW-10... Continuted in reply to Keith Williams, 05-13-2008 05:19:03  
I haven't looked at the guts of the tach on my TS other that to say it is electric with a signal off the alternator. It seems to record an hour for an hour at idle or full throttle so I suspect that it's not related to engine speed.

Rod



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