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Jody B

04-13-1999 16:24:24




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What is correct way to engage PTO on ford 5000 diesel when pulling a large mower? When I push lever to start spinning,it grinds a little,and motor almost dies. Normal ??




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Bern

04-13-1999 17:04:55




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 Re: 5000 Ford pto in reply to Jody B, 04-13-1999 16:24:24  
Yes, for the most part. The PTO's on these tractors are not featherable like they are on the newer machines. The "grinding" noise you describe is not an actual gear clash as this PTO is engaged by a hydraulic wet clutch (gear reduction in the back is constant mesh). The noise you are hearing is most likely transmission gear rattle or PTO reduction gear rattle due to the extreme low engine RPM's. Bottom line: don't worry about the noise. Probably the best way to start a high inertia implement such as your mower with this tractor would be to run the engine at approx. 1000 RPM and then rapidly engage and disengage (multiple times) the PTO lever until you get the mower up to speed. Yes, you will be slipping the clutch a little, but done right, you won't hurt it. The newer tractors are designed to be slipped somewhat at engagement, however they do use a couple more clutch plates in the clutch pack. If you have to turn this mower off and on frequently, you will probably end up overhauling the clutch pack at some point in the future (not hard to do). Whatever you do, don't rev up the engine and throw on the handle. The shock load will be hard on everything. P.S. How did your temp guage come out?

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Jody B

04-13-1999 18:31:20




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 Re: Re: 5000 Ford pto in reply to Bern, 04-13-1999 17:04:55  
Hey Thanks! I installed temp gauge as you suggested,and it works.Installed as you suggested in head between intake manifold bolts on back of head. Runs about 150 to 160 in heat of day .What do you think of that? I have always used J.Deere up to now, and am learning about Fords.I will use PTO lever as you suggested THANKS !!! 160 degrees sound about right for that location?



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Bern

04-14-1999 12:37:44




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 Re: Re: Re: 5000 Ford pto in reply to Jody B, 04-13-1999 18:31:20  
Actually, 160 sounds a little low for a warm day. I would consider 180-200 to be normal, with 220 being a desired maximum. Question, does the temp guage come up at all (say, over 100-120) when you start the tractor from cold and let it idle indefinitely? I suspect that the thermostat is either stuck open or someone removed it. A good thermostat should bring the temp up to at least 160-170(depending on which temp thermostat is installed) when the engine is being warmed up and under no load. Contrary to popular belief, it is not good to run a diesel engine too cool. Accelerated cylinder wall wear and sludgy crankcase oil will be the result over the long run. I personally prefer to install the hottest thermostat available (188 degrees) and see the engine run 190-200 at full load.

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Jody B

04-14-1999 13:16:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 5000 Ford pto in reply to Bern, 04-14-1999 12:37:44  
I understand about diesel temps.,as I also own over the road diesel trucks.My thought was,since I placed the gauge where we did,{thanks again for info} how did that relate to the reading I was getting.Since you mentioned it,I will check thermostat,as here in Fla.,many people do remove.I do not believe during idling ,the gauge moves.When it reads about 160 ,and I remove Radiator cap,water is hot &under pressure,but not coming out of overflow. THANK YOU !!! Tractor pulls bat wing mower in pasture.

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Bern

04-14-1999 17:56:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 5000 Ford pto in reply to Jody B, 04-14-1999 13:16:42  
A couple more thoughts if I may. The absolute hottest point in the engine is at the thermostat housing, which is also where the factory temp sender is. If you consider that the cooled water from the water pump enters the front of the block, travels around the cylinders (where the coolant absorbs the most heat), then enters the back of the head to make its way forward to the thermostat housing, the location where you have your sender should be reasonably close to the max temp. What the exact difference is the between the two points I don't know, I've never done that test. But I doubt the difference would be more than 5-10 degrees max. I would say shoot for 180-190 where you are at. As far as your observations upon removing the radiator cap, first of all, 160 degrees is HOT to you and me, but not your engine. Second, pressure buildup is normal as an engine warms up from stone cold. Third, the only time you should have any coolant overflow is when you are seriously overheated (say, 240+ with a 7# cap).

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Jody B

04-16-1999 07:50:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 5000 Ford pto in reply to Bern, 04-14-1999 17:56:12  
Thank you,sir, for your info.It has truly helped.



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