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mark mooney

01-12-2000 09:30:16




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i would like to find out the horsepower of the super major as i have had no luck in finding out much about the horsepower of this fantastic machine




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Dann Parker

01-12-2000 09:37:13




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 Re: fordson super major in reply to mark mooney, 01-12-2000 09:30:16  
My Power Major is rated at 52 hp. Your Super Major is very similar.



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Steven B

01-12-2000 17:24:34




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 Re: Re: fordson super major in reply to Dann Parker, 01-12-2000 09:37:13  
The answer to this question seems to be the most elusive one in the tractor world. The figures were not often published. Even the new book, the Ford Tractor Story Dearborne to Dagenham 1917-1964 apears to have some errors. The figures I am going to quote are the result of my reserch and may be slightly of. Here goes.

1. FMD 1951-56 40hp
2. FMD 1957-58 48hp
3. FPM 1958-60 52hp

After this it gets confsuing. There are three Super Majors.

1. FSM 1961-62 (Simms Pnuematic Governer) 52hp or 54hp
2. FSM 1962-63 (Simms Minimec injector pump) 54hp or 60hp
3. New Performance FSM 1963-64(5000 in the US) 54hp or 60hp. This engine has a modified cylinder head iddentified by the letters "FL" cast between injectors 1 and 2 and they also changed the injector nozils. This change, acording to the truck service letters, was to reduce exhaust emmissions by improving the swirll. I do not know if this increased the HP.

I have a video (New Holland) that states, "FPM hp was increased from 48 of the FMD to 52, and the introduction of the FSM saw a further increase to 54hp". This is why think the Minimec pump may have increased the HP to 60. I have also cross refrenced the truck and tractor parts books and after 1962 it appears that injector pumps and camshafts became common at that point.


Note that the truck version of this engine produced after 1957 (intoduction of a revised cylinder head,larger bores in the injector pump and a new camshaft) was 62bhp at 2400rpm. The tractors rev at 1800rpm.

Hope this helps. If anyone can add to this and confirm through quoting official Ford printed matter from the 50s and 60s (service letters etc) I would be most appreaciative.

Thanks

Steven Barker

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Brian

01-13-2000 08:34:49




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 Re: Re: Re: fordson super major in reply to Steven B, 01-12-2000 17:24:34  
Fordson Major HP 1952 - 1954 Fordson quoted fig.

Diesel = 40.5 Petrol = 39.5 TVO (kerosene) 38.5

1954 to 1958 no. 1425097 to 1481090

Diesel = 44

1958 to 1964 no 1481091 to 1599501, 1599502 onwards: Diesel = 51.8
All HP quoted are at 1600rpm and are bare engine.

Ford Motor Company data 1963.

Regards Brian



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Steven B

01-13-2000 13:57:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: fordson super major in reply to Brian, 01-13-2000 08:34:49  
Brian

Thanks. I have seen those figures quoted before. I have also seen offical FoMoCo documents (not mine, belongs to a collector in Albury NSW) that quotes the FSM as 53.9hp. The engine did change in specs from the FPM to the late 62FSM. Not only the injection systems, but the camshafts and cylinder head ports. I think the correct figures are,
1. FPM and 61/62FSM 51.8(52)
2. FSM Minimec pump, 53.9 (54)

The 60hp claim is a verbal from a New Holland dealer. Can't be verified, but I can't see why Ford would bother adopting a new fuel injection system for a tractor and truck engine that would not give any benefit when they knew there was only going to be two more years production. Also, I still give the 60hp claim some merit as a 2hp increase is not realy worth while persuing either, I just want more evidence. The engine was extensivly modified when the "D" Series trucks replaced the Thames Trader range and the engine was not used in tractors with the introduction of the world range. Like I said in my post above, it is confusing and there seems to me to be a lot of contradictory evidence.

Why was Ford so coy about the HP figure on these tractors? I have parts lists, service leters and operators manuals for all of these tractors as well as the trucks. The truck hp figures are easily available but not the tractors.

BTW, the 330CID six cylinder is rated at 100hp in trucks and 86hp as the marine/industrial version. The four cylinder truck petrol (gasolene) is rated at 72 and the six at 115, both at 3200RPM. The petrols only have a 95mm bore. We are toying with bulding a 330 CID six cyl petrol /gas engine using TVO pistons and sleaves and puting it in a early E1A Major for the tractor pulls ( I have a number of Thame Trader Trucks, petrol and diesel 7.5 tonners in my collection). Any coments from anyone?

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Steven

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Roger Veon

10-30-2000 14:47:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fordson super major in reply to Steven B, 01-13-2000 13:57:19  
need a clutch assembly or just the cover for a super major diesel with live pto



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Brian

01-14-2000 04:51:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fordson super major in reply to Steven B, 01-13-2000 13:57:19  
Stephen,
The figures quote come from my service letters from Fords sent out to dealers in 1963. The tractor builds finished soon after and the model was changed to the 2-5000 range.
At no time were we here in England informed of any change in hp over the 51.5 quoted although Fords may have increased it for export.
The MiniMec pump gave faster governor response and the change may have been forced on Ford by Simms discontinuing the vaccum governed pump.
The changes to cylinder head and liners was to cure head gasket problems suffered with the copper asbestos gasket used on the Power Major and early Super Major tractors.The gasket for the "FL" head should be the composite one not the copper/asbestos one. The changes to the cam shaft were going from a three bolt fixing of timeing gears which again was giving problems, to a single bolt fixing. The valve springs were also changed and this resulted in extreem wear on the cam followeres and cam shaft lobes.
HP figures are very easy to get hold of here. The dealers still have the service books and letters from Ford, but as you say Ford were a bit sneeky at times. At the time of the introduction of the Ford Power Star engine we were all told in the dealer network that the HP of 75 for the 6600 had not changed. In fact it had been increased to 82. This was a sales ploy to out perform the opposition at "in field" demo's.
The truck engine you refer to was not an agricultural tractor engine by Ford. It was used as and "industrial" engine on combines, generators etc.This was because the 2-5000 engine did not lend itself to "out tractor" fitting as the old engine did. Seperate dealers were set up for the "industrial market". The industrial engines became the "27" series. 2713/2714 etc. Some were fitted to County, Roadless, Muirhill four wheel drive tractors. The engine was based on a modified "Super Major" engine and I know that in my dealership, we felt that it was far superior to the engine in the 2-5000 range. The early versions of this were giving constant trouble at the time.
I still have all my service letters on these engines too. Regards
Brian

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Oscar

01-17-2000 04:24:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fordson super major in reply to Brian, 01-14-2000 04:51:55  
Interesting discussion! Over here in Holland, I know some people who own a 4WD Super Major with a 6-cylinder diesel engine. These monsters supposedly put out 110 hp on the ground, and 91 hp on the LPT. Sounds like a helluva lot of power, but I've seen 'em work with REALLY heavy loads effortlessly.

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Brian

01-23-2000 12:59:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fordson super major in reply to Oscar, 01-17-2000 04:24:47  
Oscar,
At the RAI show a few years ago, ther was a FMD rear end fitted to a Rolls Royce Merlin. This worked out at over 1000 hp passing through an FMD transmission. You Netherlanders certainly expect your tractors to be powerful. I don't think it was for ploughing though :)
regards
Brian



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