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moisture in final drive

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james in Ontari

03-03-2005 11:10:03




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I have a 1964 Super Major that my father bought new in 1964.This is the last Major I have of four we use to farm with.For as long as I can remember I always seem to be getting moisture in the final drive oil, and it becomes milky.Yet the transmission oil never becomes contaminated.The tractor is in a dry shed 95% of the time.I also must say where I live in Canada in the winter it can be -30 and in the summer +30 celcius.Somtimes the cast on the tractor swets if there is a sudden temperature change.My question is that if this is the reason the final drive oil is getting moisure in it, why does the transmission never pickup moisture?Sure hope somebody can solve this mystery.

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Mark99

03-15-2005 18:00:26




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 Re: moisture in final drive in reply to james in Ontario, 03-03-2005 11:10:03  
James,
I suggest it is entirely due to large changes in air temperature inside / outside the final drive. As the air in the final drive heats up due to operation, the air expands and escapes via the breather holes. On my 57 Fordson, they are located in the filler plug behind the seat. When the tractor stops and cools down, the air inside contracts and draws fresh relatively warm air into the casing. As the casing continues to cool overnight, the amount of water the air can hold reduces until it reaches dew point. At dew point, the air is at 100% relative humidity and cooling below that point will form condensation / water droplets on surfaces in contact with the air. The problem is then compounded, as next day when the tractor is used, it warms up, expells the air (but not the moisture) and the cycle repeats, bringing more water into the casing.
Just thinking out loud, but I am wondering if you could turn the casing into a non-pressurised closed system? To test the theory, you could tape a polythene shopping bag over the breather such that it would allow the air to go into and out of the bag without drawing fresh moisture laden air from the atmosphere. Sure there would be some moisture in the air in the casing to start with, but you wouldn't be adding more moisture everytime the machine heated up and cooled down. Some dessicant placed in the bag would absorb the moisture eventually. If that worked, you could try something more permanant, by perhaps enclosing the bag in an old oil container drilled to allow air between the bag and the container to escape.
The last thing you want to do however, is pressurise the casing as this will drive oil out of the seals. I don't seem to have this problem where I live, but when I bought the old girl she had milky oil in the final drive.
I would like to hear how you get on.
Good Luck !
Regards,
Mark

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Mark 1

03-06-2005 09:56:33




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 Re: moisture in final drive in reply to james in Ontario, 03-03-2005 11:10:03  
Majorman, do you have a suggestion to cure this? I am willing to try a larger breather hole and or a heater of some sort in the back.



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Majorman

03-06-2005 23:50:00




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 Re: moisture in final drive in reply to Mark 1, 03-06-2005 09:56:33  
Sorry I don't. It is one of those things we live with on these old girls.



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Majorman

03-03-2005 23:51:14




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 Re: moisture in final drive in reply to james in Ontario, 03-03-2005 11:10:03  
I think its because you do have a breather in the rear axle. Its in one of the seat bolts. The temperature extremes cause condensation due to warm oil and cold air. The rear axle oil will get hotter than the gearbox oil but this too will go milky after a time. Changing the oil is the only answer.



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James in Ontario

03-07-2005 05:56:20




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 Re: moisture in final drive in reply to Majorman, 03-03-2005 23:51:14  
Thanks for the information Majorman.I will continue to change the oil in the transmission and final drive as I've done in the past.By trying to keep the oil clean I've never had to service the trasmission,final drive or hydraulics for any problems to date,in forty years of use.So I guess having to use a little extra oil over the years must of paid off!



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Mark 1

03-03-2005 11:28:34




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 Re: moisture in final drive in reply to james in Ontario, 03-03-2005 11:10:03  
I have the same problem on my 1961 Super. Is it due to lack of a breather hole-tube on the back? Maybe Majorman or someone in England can answer this one.



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