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Del Munroe

01-02-2006 19:57:13




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A friend of mine is restoring an old Fordson tractor, which was manufactured in England in the mid to late 1920's. Where would the serial number be located on the engine.The only number he could find was,N 6015 A, stamped on the casting of the block.What would the torque specs be for the four cylinder engines used at that time? Your help and advice on this matter would be appreciated. Thank you
Del

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DEL Munroe

01-05-2006 18:29:58




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 Re: Serial Number in reply to Del Munroe, 01-02-2006 19:57:13  
Thank you Maine Fordson.We checked that machined surface area on your advice and found no serial number.All other areas of the engine have been closely checked, but to no avail. The engine is marked, high compression,made in England.Is it possible that its an N series tractor,made in the early 30's.The end of the fuel tank is stamped,Fordson made by the Ford Motor Company, Detroit, Mich USA. Is there anything else we might look for in order to pinpoint the age of this unit ie: magneto, wheels, axel etc. Thanks again Del

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Butch Howe

01-06-2006 10:12:17




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 Re: Serial Number in reply to DEL Munroe, 01-05-2006 18:29:58  
Hi Del, Hi Maine, The N model production began in 1929 at Cork, Ireland. The Irish tractor had the following improvements: A water pump, A V belt for the water pump/fan ( the radiator upper tank was redisigned to accomodate this), 4 1/8 bore, Magneto mounted on the right side of the engine( no magneto terminal on the left rear), Redesigned air washer with a round cover, removable cleanout plate on the oil pan, A redesigned front axle, and others. Occasionally you will see an N model replacement engine in a model F tractor. The N tractors rarely were missing the serial number unless it was a replacement block. If it is an Irish tractor you will find cast into the rear axle housing the word "UP" with or without an arrow.This is unique to the Irish. If it is a later Engish tractor the clutch lever will be behind the rear axle. Get back to us on what you find. We may need more info to identify it. Butch

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Del Munroe

01-10-2006 20:08:21




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 Re: Serial Number in reply to Butch Howe, 01-06-2006 10:12:17  
Thanks Butch for all the infomation you supplied.We checked the tractor in the areas you advised us on, and the following was found:The upper radiator was designed to accomodate the water pump,V belt, and fan. The magneto is on the right side,with a 3 1/4" bore,not a 4 1/8". The rear axel is marked "TOP",and not "UP" on each side.The air wash and oil pan was as you mentioned.In addition, on each end of the fuel tank is stamped, " Fordson made by Ford Motor Company, Detroit, Michigan". We hope these answers will help you in someway to determine the year of this tractor. Looking forward to hearing from you,and thanks again. Del

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Butch Howe

01-12-2006 21:09:49




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 Re: Serial Number in reply to Del Munroe, 01-10-2006 20:08:21  
Hi Del, Sounds like you have an Irish Fordson. The rear axle housing; I said UP but meant to say TOP. Your feul tank has been changed sometime in the past and is from a Model F. Look on the radiator side castings. Does it say FORDSON down the side (English) or does it not say Fordson and have a square hole in the top corner (Irish). Is the clutch pedal in front of the rear axle (Irish) or behind (english). Butch

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Del Munroe

01-19-2006 18:22:53




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 Re: Serial Number in reply to Butch Howe, 01-12-2006 21:09:49  
Hi Butch, The following is in response to your last reply:The clutch pedal is in front of the rear axel, the radiator does not have fordson marked down the sides, Fordson is displayed across the upper front of the radiator.We will check it for the square hole that you mentioned, and get back to you on that.
Also, would you happen to know, what the head bolt torque is for the engine, and how the valve guides are removed? Appreciate your input, and thanks. Del

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Butch Howe

01-19-2006 20:53:37




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 Re: Serial Number in reply to Del Munroe, 01-19-2006 18:22:53  
You have an Irish Fordson made at Cork Ireland 1929-1932. An unknown number of these were imported into the states. I have a 1931. If it has oil level petcocks it is an early one. If it has a dipstick it is later.



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Maine Fordson

01-04-2006 09:14:38




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 Re: Fordson F Serial Number in reply to Del Munroe, 01-02-2006 19:57:13  
Del -

Sometimes the serial number is obscured by grease, rust, dirt -- or a combination of the three -- so have a small scraper and a narrow wire brush handy, because you'll probably need them.

The number itself is stamped on the engine block above the fourth bolt holding the manifold on (nearest the radiator). You'll notice a narrow machined surface just above the manifold; that's where to start.

I've included a link at the bottom of this message; follow it to Don Clough's web site, where he has the production matrix for (I believe) all Fordson tractors produced, from the early F's through the E27N's, i.e., 1917-1952. There's also a picture to help you locate the serial number.

It is entirely possible that there is no serial number on the engine, as some of the replacement blocks were not marked.

You said the tractor was made in England in the 1920s. Actually, the Fordson Model F was made in the USA from 1918-1928, and also manufactured in Cork, Ireland from 1919 to 1922. The tractor was redesigned in 1929 and became the Model N, and made in Cork from 1929 through 1931-32, when production was moved to Dagenham, England. The end of the fuel tank should be stamped with the location of manufactire (if the tank is original to that tractor). Early U.S.-made Fordson tractors' fuel tanks are stamped "Henry Ford & Son, Highland Park, Mich. USA", later ones are marked "Fordson, made by the Ford Motor Company, Detroit, Mich USA", while the foreign-made tractors' tanks have "Cork, Irish Free State" or "Cork, Ireland" or "Dagenham, England" on them. Basic design is the same, though.

As for torque specs, well, I have never seen anything official on that subject. The Fordson owner's manual (I recommend buying a copy, as there are parts diagrams and answers to many questions contained therein) just says to tighten them "firmly". I happen to think that one man's definition of "firm" doesn't necessarily coincide with another man's (depending on brawn, wrench length, etc.), so I'd take the bolt measurements (diameter, length, thread pitch, etc.) and consult an engineering reference handbook. I would suppose that as long as the bolts are sufficiently tight, the most important thing is to have them all equally torqued, especially for something critical like head bolts.

Good luck with the project!

-- Maine Fordson

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