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Skyhawk Greg

04-28-2006 13:31:38




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Hello.

Took me a while to find this Fordson board, but here it is!

Last night I bought two Fordsons. One is a 1923, and seems to be pretty stock, except for there is a place to put a battery just under where the coil box is. No battery though. The person I bought the tractors from, is the brother of the person who died, and he knows nothing about them other than the 1923 was run only a few months ago. From what little I know about Fordsons, it probably doesn't need a battery, but, what voltage would you suggest? I am presuming 6V, but think it wise to ask.

Next question is about the starting procedure. From what I can gather, the gasoline (not kerosene)tank needs to be turned on. The spark lever should be almost full counterclockwise, but not to the ground (?) button. Pull the choke halfway back, make sure it is in neutral, then crank the handle without using your thumb. Have I missed anything?

The person I bought it from says he believes the tractor has to be run on kerosene once it is running, and to never put gasoline in the main tank. I am a John Deere person, and it seems to me that it would be OK to run gasoline all the time. Is this so?

Lastly, the second Fordson has solid rubber tires on steel rims, pneumatic tires on the back that look like truck tires, a large protective plate filled with round holes to protect the radiator, and a hook that is an integral cast part of the worm drive cover on the back of the differential. This clearly is a definite purpose setup, and I am wondering what it may have been used for.

Thank you for any input you may have. Greg

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cdmn

04-29-2006 12:15:18




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 Re: New to Fordsons with questions in reply to Skyhawk Greg, 04-28-2006 13:31:38  
That's probably an industrial Fordson. Used on hard floors or pavement to pull shop wagons or move pallets, etc. Those functions are now handled by forklifts or tug vehicles.



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Skyhawk Greg

04-28-2006 13:34:18




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 Re: New to Fordsons with questions in reply to Skyhawk Greg, 04-28-2006 13:31:38  
By the way, I have already ordered the Owner's Manual, Service Manual, and Parts Manual to help answer the questions. They may take a week or two to arrive, so I thought I'd get a jump on them by posting on this board. Thanks!



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Skyhawk Greg

04-28-2006 14:52:31




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 Re: New to Fordsons with questions in reply to Skyhawk Greg, 04-28-2006 13:34:18  
One more thing comes to mind, now that I am home again. Would the battery be connected for negative ground? The tractor still has the four buzzboxes and magnets in the flywheel.



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Theman

05-02-2006 13:33:45




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 Re: New to Fordsons with questions in reply to Skyhawk Greg, 04-28-2006 14:52:31  
The correct polarity is positive ground. However, either will work. If you ever order a replacement coil, the bottom contact will have a neg. sticker beside it. A solution for starting with the battery and running on the magneto by the previous owner of my '23 Fordson was to use a pair knife switches. I start it with the battery switch on, then flip both switches after it starts. If I had a double-throw switch, it would be even better. Now for a safety tip: The magneto generates A/C voltage when the engine is running and can zap you - even at 11.5 volts.

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Skyhawk Greg

05-04-2006 17:53:40




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 Re: New to Fordsons with questions in reply to Theman, 05-02-2006 13:33:45  
Theman - Thank you for the polarity note. Up till now, I found out that doing it with reverse polarity works too - as that is what I've been doing. The battery has been connected only for starting, and then after a brief warmup, the knife switch is thrown to run on the magneto voltage.



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Bob N.Y.

04-28-2006 16:20:56




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 Re: New to Fordsons with questions in reply to Skyhawk Greg, 04-28-2006 14:52:31  
My father always put gasoline in the big tank of his Fordson and ran it that way. A 6 volt battery will work fine. I was told recently that polarity doesn't matter.



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George D.

04-28-2006 18:54:29




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 Re: Fordson Ignition in reply to Bob N.Y., 04-28-2006 16:20:56  
Actually, Greg, if your internal magneto is fully charged you won't need a hot-shot battery. Using a battery in that manner was a "quick fix" for a tractor that was hard to start. You can recharge the magneto without disassembling the tractor, you just need two 12V batteries and a little know-how. (Shoot me an e-mail if you're interested in more info.) Once recharged, you won't need to worry about a battery for starting.

IMPORTANT NOTE: If you *do* use a hot-shot battery for starting, be sure to unhook it as soon as the tractor is running, otherwise you'll tend to de-magnetize the internal magneto, worsening your ignition troubles even more.

Agree with Bob N.Y. that running on gasoline only is fine. Kerosene was a lot cheaper in the 1920's, that's why engines were designed to run on it. Nowadays, though, gasoline is cheaper (if you can believe that, a nearly $3/gal.!) If you do decide to try kerosene someday, start the engine on gasoline and let it run for 5 or 10 minutes to get the manifold well warmed up, then switch over to the kero. (The hot manifold vaporizes the kerosene and it is that vapor which allows the engine to run, albeit with slightly less power than when running on gasoline; everything's a trade-off).

Have you changed the oil yet? Make sure you use non-detergent oil (it's still available, but you may have to look around a bit to find it). If you use regular (detergent) oil you'll free up decades of accumulated gunk that will gum up your engine, and you don't want that. If you decide to do an engine rebuild someday, you can then switch over to modern detergent oil.

Enjoy your Model F's -- they're a lot of fun!

-- Maine Fordson

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Skyhaw Greg

05-04-2006 17:56:03




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 Re: Fordson Ignition in reply to George D., 04-28-2006 18:54:29  
Hi George, I shot an e-mail to you, but it might not have worked. I am interested in more information on how to recharge the magneto using two batteries. My address is skyparkohio@sbcglobal.net. Thank you. Greg



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souNdguy

05-02-2006 12:48:40




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 Re: Fordson Ignition in reply to George D., 04-28-2006 18:54:29  
Wouldn't you also switch back over to gasolene before shutoff for an easy start next time?

Soundguy



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Maine Fordson

05-10-2006 21:53:23




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 Re: Fordson shutdown in reply to souNdguy, 05-02-2006 12:48:40  
souNdguy:

Since the Fordson F doesn't have an ignition switch (with the exception of the very early 1918 models with the keyed switch on the side of the coil box), most folks just turn the handle on the side of the sediment bulb to cut off the fuel supply. The engine burns whatever kero is left in the line, and then when you turn on the fuel the next time you want to start up, gasoline is the first fuel to go back to the carburetor.

This procedure is also an advantage when the tractor is going to set for quite a while (i.e., for months, over the winter), as there will be no fuel in the carburetor to evaporate and leave a gummy residue behind to cause you carburetion problems.

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souNdguy

05-11-2006 05:24:11




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 Re: Fordson shutdown in reply to Maine Fordson, 05-10-2006 21:53:23  
On JD's with multi fuel, I've always seen people switch back to gas for a few seconds, and then when off, just pull the drain plug on the carb to get the last couple teaspoons of fuel out.. etc.

Soundguy



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George D.

04-28-2006 19:00:39




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 Re: Fordson Choke in reply to George D., 04-28-2006 18:54:29  
One more thing, Greg: You suggested pulling the choke halfway when cranking. Go ahead and pull it all the way -- it takes quite a bit to gag that engine. Once she farts, though, go ahead and put it in the halfway position.

-- Geo. D.



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