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hwess

05-04-2006 12:56:07




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Has anyone figured a way to modify the air cleaner so you don't need water. Just restored mine and don't want to use water, yet think it needs something as even a parade route sometimes gets dusty.




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SteveWelker

05-05-2006 12:26:27




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 Re: F air cleaner in reply to hwess, 05-04-2006 12:56:07  
I run water in every one of my fordsons I can(all 6) as does my brother and dad. Main reason is to help preignition. And I feel it helps greatly in keeping the tractor running smoothly even on Gas. I think one reason is in the old Vaporizors it needs that extra resistance to help pull in the fuel properly (kind of like pulling the choke a little). The newer Zenith Carbs work more like modern carb and do not need this resitance but the water mist still helps preignition. I have a '38 with the new style Oil Bath air cleaner and even though the tractor is excellent througout, it runs less smoothly any pings more than my '31 with the same, carb, head, and fuel. What is the reason not to run water?? Most people no longer run these in freezing weather anyhow so that is not a worry. Floats are easy to make float with some expanding foam, or have even been made with flashing aluminum and expanding foam. Water mist is good for alot of reasons, check out the young kids and their import tunner cars, alot run water injection (or methanol-water which is windshield washer fluid)to give more power, help preignition and help keep valves and combustion chambers clean. Even the Germans injected methanol-water in WWII in their fighter planes to fight preignition at high altitudes.
Anyhow, a dry filter will work I've just always prefered water and it gives something to baffle people at shows when you say your air cleaner is filler with water.-Steve

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Butch Howe

05-05-2006 18:16:21




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 Re: F air cleaner in reply to SteveWelker, 05-05-2006 12:26:27  
Hey Steve, Think we can make my c-30 run on water??? I wonder how it would go with that new Edelbrock manifold pulling them tractors up The hill out of Lykens valley, Ha Ha



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Skyhawk Greg

05-05-2006 06:34:56




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 Re: F air cleaner in reply to hwess, 05-04-2006 12:56:07  
Did the search. FordsonExchange posted the solution in 2003. He suggests using a Purolator AA14650 air filter. Here is his link: Link



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Butch Howe

05-04-2006 20:54:58




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 Re: F air cleaner in reply to hwess, 05-04-2006 12:56:07  
Reading your thread concerning the Fordson air washer. There are two primary reasons for the airwasher. One is to obviously to clean the air and keep out all the chaff and other matter while in the field, especially while haying or doing belt work. Two was to aid in combustion of the kerosine (water does just that) as all of you engineering majors know. Remember, these engines were designed to run with kerosine as thier primary feul. Today, most Fordsons live a life of leasure being ran and driven in a much cleaner environment ( except a couple of mine!). Most are ran on gasoline which eliminates the need for water. By introducing a dry air filter into the system you can protect you engine. Renown Ford and Fordson collector Ron Lamoly came up with using a dry filter from a 1999 Saturn (I don't have the number). This is somewhere in the YT archives. Simply remove the airwasher cover, remove the entire float assembly and baffle. You'll see that the filter just fits inside the cover. Run a little bead of RTV around it and install. When it is in operation you must keep the air washer tanks lower plug out. This will allow intake air to be distributed over the entire surface of the filter.as oposed to only the center inlet. As little as these engines run the filter should last for years. So, Thats the story of the dry air filter for the F Fordson. One other note, I did much the same in the round airwasher on my Irish Fordson with a furnace filter.

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ndg

05-04-2006 18:37:49




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 Re: F air cleaner in reply to hwess, 05-04-2006 12:56:07  
I'm not sure of the part number, but a filter for a Saturn car will fit right in the air washer top. If I can find the number, I will post it.



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Bob N.Y.

05-04-2006 16:43:03




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 Re: F air cleaner in reply to hwess, 05-04-2006 12:56:07  
I remember reading, on this forum, that there is a paper element filter that is a perfect fit inside the air washer. Have you checked the archives?



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Skyhawk

05-04-2006 18:01:55




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 Re: F air cleaner in reply to Bob N.Y., 05-04-2006 16:43:03  
I'd really like to know the paper element number, and will do a search. In the meantime, after looking at the system, it looks like the drain plug could be removed from the air washer, and since all the water would be gone, the floats would drop and seal the intended intake, so all the air would have to be pulled through the drain opening if the engine were to get air. What if a cylindrically shaped narrow radius filter were attached to a threaded adaptor, and the filter was screwed into the air washer body from the outside drain plug opening? This way, the filter would be completely concealed.

BTW - Does anybody have an extra drain plug for an air washer that they would sell? Mine is missing. Thank you. Greg

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Skyhawk Greg

05-04-2006 13:54:53




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 Re: F air cleaner in reply to hwess, 05-04-2006 12:56:07  
hwess - I have only been a Fordson F owner for about a week, and have had the same question. Although I do not have a solution, I thought I'd bring up a couple points.

If your air washer is working properly, the engine will not run right, and probably will not even start unless you have water inside the air washer. Once the floats get too low, they cut off the air supply. This sounds like kind of a safety feature to be sure that you have some means of washing the air before running. If your tractor runs without water in the air washer, then the air washer probably wouldn't work right even if it had water in it. It is real interesting why the floats are there. They allow the air to always enter at a certain distance below the water level, and keep the pressure loss through the air washer the same, no matter what the water level may be. The down side of the water system is that Ford recommends that the water be drained after each use, while the tractor is warm, so that the dirt doesn't have time to settle. Then you are supposed to flush the system with clean water until the drain water is reasonably clear.

In many photos of Fordsons, I noticed that the main air supply tube that connects the air washer to the Kingston carburetor assembly is missing. I suspect it has been removed so that water did not have to be in the air washer. This would by-pass the air washer altogether. Why not take it one step further, and put a K&N filter on the inlet of the carb?

Are you going to work the tractor at all? If so, then it might not be a bad idea to use the water anyway, since the second purpose of the water is to moisten the air and help avoid pre-ignition.

I am anxious to see what others have to say. Greg

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