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MarB

09-24-2006 08:02:36




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Yesterday I had the good fortune to not only see but also hear a Ford Senator engine running.. It had been stored in a garage for approx. 15 to 20 years .. I had only ever read about these engines before.. Is anyone familiar with these motors.. ? Is it the same engine used in the PloughMaster conversions of the Fordson Major done by Roadless ? In appearance it looks exactly like a Fordson Major Diesel engine (220 cu. ins.) except that it is a six cylinder version.. Is this the 330 cu. in . engine.? Even has the Simms injection pump with the pneumatic governor,, looking very similar to the 220, Actually it shares a lot of similarities with the 220, such as the water pump , tachometer drive , basic block configuration , starter , timing gear cover , bell housing & etc. Purred like a kitten!

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Majorman

09-24-2006 09:56:25




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 Re: Senator Engine. in reply to MarB, 09-24-2006 08:02:36  
If its the 2700 industrial its not the same as the Major. The injection pump is mounted on the back of the front support plate.

The Major variant had a pneumatic governer or a Simms Minimec pump driven by a long shaft and mounted about midway down the engine. Over here that was known as the 590E.

Both units were great engines.



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marex

11-27-2006 00:55:28




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 Re: Senator Engine. in reply to Majorman, 09-24-2006 09:56:25  
Hi all
I'm a owner of an Ford 590 E engine. And i wonder is is possible to get manuals for this engine.
I've been sertcing the weeb for some time, with no results.

Regards bjorn



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RodInNS

09-24-2006 20:07:59




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 Re: Senator Engine. in reply to Majorman, 09-24-2006 09:56:25  
Again, I'm way out on the limb here, but.... From what I understand, the "Senator" was produced over quite a period of time using Ford's English industrial diesels. They probably predated the 2700 series, but I believe they ended up going into them in later years. I think there was a 220, 254, 330, and 380 in all. You would probably recognize those displacements and what series they fit into moreso than I would. The only other real comment I could make is that in my area in Cape Breton, odds are that if a person sees any Ford industrial of that lineage, it's going to be labelled a "Senator". In all likelyhood, it's not. If it's a "Senator" it's got marine manifolds.

Rod

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MarB

09-24-2006 11:41:22




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 Re: Senator Engine. in reply to Majorman, 09-24-2006 09:56:25  
This is the 590 E engine , then , for the injection pump is driven by a shaft approx. 12 inches long & that would probably situate the pump about mid-way along the block. Obviously the engine I speak of was an industrial power source , for it has a clutch incorporated into a bell housing / drive box with a driveshaft probably 2 inches in diameter , protuding from the gear box. I wonder if a normal radiator in a Major would offer sufficient cooling capability for this 6 cylinder engine? From the measurements I,ve taken , it should bolt rite up in my Fordson Major. If I was to do that , I would need to create some sort of modified anchor for the front axle wish-bone brace,.. as the Senator oil pan has no provision for the brace .. Any suggestions ? Brian

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cdmn

09-24-2006 21:57:54




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 Re: Senator Engine. in reply to MarB, 09-24-2006 11:41:22  
Those that have done it welded two or more tractor oil pan castings together to get the length.



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RodInNS

09-24-2006 09:29:36




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 Re: Senator Engine. in reply to MarB, 09-24-2006 08:02:36  
I don't pretend to know too much about the "Senator", but I'll tell what I've learned...
As far as I'm aware, the name "Senator" or Ford Senator is a name that was applied to a line of engines which were marinised by Lunenburg Foundry and Engineering Works in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia. I believe this line spanned quite a period of time. It was based on Ford's British industrial diesel's of the time which included the 220, the 330 and I think a 380. Basically the 2700 series engines... So, the "Senator" is a marinised Ford industrial engine, similar to the engines found in Major's, Tree Farmers, and dozens of other applications I couldn't begin to list. HTH.

Rod

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MarB

09-24-2006 11:46:54




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 Re: Senator Engine. in reply to RodInNS, 09-24-2006 09:29:36  
Hi Rod .. You Are not to far from me in distance ..I presume you are from Nova Scotia.. I live in Moncton , New Brunswick.. Thanks for the reply. Any idea where one of the 220,s may be available .. Brian



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RodInNS

09-24-2006 20:17:14




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 Re: Senator Engine. in reply to MarB , 09-24-2006 11:46:54  
Hmmmm. I'll put it this way. I know of two 2700 series, 4 cylinders that are around here. I don't know what the displacements are. A good friend has one. He could probably be talked free of it, for a sum, as he only bought it for the injection pump. Whether or not it's still complete, and it's condition, I do not know, but I could check if you wish. I know of another, with a genset, and very very little use. Don't know if he'll sell it or not. It's an ex-coast guard unit.... A backup I think, that came off the St. Paul's Island light. I know them both well. Let me know if you're interested.

Rod

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MarB

09-25-2006 13:09:46




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 Re: Senator Engine. in reply to RodInNS, 09-24-2006 20:17:14  
Good info ..Thanks to everyone.. I,m not quite sure what a 2700 engine would fit , Rod. Is the 2700 designation the newer design engine built after the 220,330 & so on wet liner motors ? What I am looking for is preferably a 220 Fordson engine. Mine has a Simms injection pump with the pneumatic governor. Brian



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