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Fordson F assembly in Manchester

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Nick Forder

02-12-2007 00:54:02




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According to David Lloyd George in his 'War Memoirs' approximately half of the 6,000 Fordson tractos received from the US in 1918 arived as kits of parts and were assembled in the Ford car factory in Trafford Park, Manchester. Can anyone confirm this and/or provide any further information (serial numbers etc) ?
As yet, I have not found any other source to confirm this claim. 'Ford & Fordson Tractors' by M Willliams, for instance, makes no reference at to British Fordson tractor assembly prior to the opening of the factory at Cork.
Any help will be most appreciated. Many thanks
Nick

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Nick Forder

02-14-2007 03:52:49




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 Re: Fordson F assembly in Manchester in reply to Nick Forder, 02-12-2007 00:54:02  
“At this stage Mr Henry Ford came to our aid. He was anxious to establish a major factory in Ireland, and offered, if granted permission and facilities for this, to use the factory during the War for the purpose of making agricultural tractors. The project was sanctioned by the War Cabinet, but it was held up through difficulty in securing the necessary structural materials for building the factory. Mr Ford then came to our help in another way. In April, 1917, he offered to present his ‘Fordson’ tractor to the British Government as a model, together with all the drawings, patterns, jigs, etc, needed for its production, free of cost, on condition that the tractors manufactured therefrom should be purchased by the Government, not by private individuals. Arrangements were put in hand to take advantage of this offer, and for 6,000 of the tractors to be manufactured here for us by British firms; but early in June, 1917, we found it necessary to concentrate our motor manufacturing resources on the output of aeroplanes, and all these arrangements went by the board. Ultimately half of the 6,000 Ford tractors were assembled here a new factory run up at Trafford Park for the purpose, the parts being supplied by Mr Ford from his American factory. The remainder were imported complete across the Atlantic.

In addition to the 6,000 Ford Tractors, the Food Production Department were responsible for securing some 3,262 tractors of other makes. They also hunted out all sets of steam ploughing tackle in the country, traced their missing engine drivers, and secured the return of some 300 of these from the Army. Further sets to the number of 65 were procured from a British firm.

As an illustration of the achievements of the mechanical power thus made available for our food production campaign, I may say that in the preparations for the 1918 harvest, motor tractors carried out tillage operations equivalent to the ploughing of about 600,000 acres, and the steam tackle ploughed and cultivated about 1,200,000 acres."

War Memories of David Lloyd George, Volume 1 pp774-5, Odhams Press Ltd, 1938

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Butch Howe

02-12-2007 18:10:57




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 Re: Fordson F assembly in Manchester in reply to Nick Forder, 02-12-2007 00:54:02  
This is entirely possible and, if so, would clear up a great mystery. As Steve has noted, it would have been imposible for Ford to assemble 6000 complete tractors. However, parts would be another matter as many of the early parts came directly from other manufacturers. Hercules made the engines and Whitehead and Kales the wheels. We also know that there were problems in shipping with backups at the docks. Some were shuffled off to Canada because of this. I always assumed that old Henry was "cooking the books" but that may not have been the case. If something could be found to reference the 3000 missing tractors it sure would make my day!

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David in Wales

02-12-2007 14:11:23




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 Re: Fordson F assembly in Manchester in reply to Nick Forder, 02-12-2007 00:54:02  
Hey Nick;
I may be able to throw some light onto your question in a few weeks time (we've moved and as yet hav'nt unpacked my boxes of books.
I've researched the history of early Fordsons & in 1982 researched & wrote a book on the suject.
I have somewhere a FORDEX book published in the early 1920's by Ford which covers the whole history & information on vehicles, including serial numbers of tractors and where they were produced.
Please email me direct so that I can store your email address and can be reminded so I can dig out the info for you.
flatfender@arepo.com
Look forward to helping you, and all other Fordson tractor enthusiasts.
Cheers David

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SteveWelker

02-12-2007 09:23:36




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 Re: Fordson F assembly in Manchester in reply to Nick Forder, 02-12-2007 00:54:02  
Nick,
I've never heard this statement before, and have read many books and articles on fordsons. I do believe that this is very possible. There is a mysterious skip in the serial numbers in early 1918 from 3900 to 6900. Were these 3000 possibly sent in parts over to England, and their serial numbers reserved for their assembly? I do know that when you look at the production data that exists from early 1918 is seems that it would have been impossible for Ford to have delivered 6000 complete tractors as he was just not making them fast enough at this point. A pretty good article on these early Tractors (the MOM or Ministry of Munitions) was written by Jack Heald back around 1987 for Gas Engine Magazine. It has been awhile since I have read this, but this may help you.
-Steve

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Nick Forder

02-13-2007 04:45:21




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 Re: Fordson F assembly in Manchester in reply to SteveWelker, 02-12-2007 09:23:36  
Steve Thanks for this.
The Trafford Park factory was extended in both 1916 and 1918, supposedly to allow for the manufacture of tractors. However, most sources seemt o agree that the war ended before tractor production got underway.
1916 seems too early for the prospect of tractor assembly in Manchester, unless there was some prospect of puting the Farkas design into production ?
To quote 'Tempestuous Journey : Lloyd George : His Life and Times', by Frank Owen, Hutchinson & Co, 1954 : “Within the first few days of the New Year, 1917 (R E) Prothero (Minister of Agriculture) had provided Lloyd George with a compendious memorandum on food and farmpolicy, man-power, women land-workers, rent restrictions, putting down pheasants and foxes, fertilizers and the offer of Henry Ford to make tractors. Of Ford’s plan to set up his own works at Cork, Prothero wrote that he believed Ford could turn out tractors at £50 apiece,’… it will revolutionize agriculture. It will also knock the English machine-makers out of trade. If that had to be, well, it would have to be."
So, this suggests that Ford's offer was in January 1917.

'Politicians, the Press, & Propaganda : Lord Northcliffe & The Great War, 1914-1919', by J Lee Thompson, Kent State University Press, 1999 goes some way to explain the delay in taking up Ford's offer : Lord Northcliffe was chairman of the 1917 British War Mission to the United States.One of his first tasks was to appease an angry Henry Ford. The American industrialist felt insulted by the British handling of an offer to supply, at cost, 6,000 of his new and inexpensive agricultural tractors for the food production ministry. Geoffrey Robinson (later Dawson), editor of The Times, explained to his chief that SF Edge, a former representative of Britain’s Ford competitors (and presently attached to the ministry of munitions), had done everything in his power, including the staging of unfair tests, to attack the American machines. As a result, Ford refused to allow any Englishmen in to this factories. Northcliffe told Churchill, who had became munitions minister in July, that Ford had twice put him off, but that he would gladly go to Detroit and “eat humble pie”. Thomas Edison, an acquaintance of both men, finally arranged a mid-October meeting at which the misunderstanding was laid to rest. Northcliffe toured Ford’s plant and even took a turn behind the wheel of one of the tractors in a ploughing demonstration.”

It is known that Henry Ford's preference was to build a new factory in Cork to build tractors, instead of using Trafford Park. Presumably the reasons for this were 1) the tractors were developed by Fordson and nor Ford and 2) the Ford family had connections with Cork.

However, the building of a new factory in Cork ran into difficulties as in 1917 the munitions emphasis became aeroplanes and aero-engines, with extra capacity being achieved by the increased use of the automotive industry, governemnt subsidized new factories and training centres for semi-skilled workers. Yet, the workforce issue was not so prominent in Ireland as conscription in to the British armed forces did not extend to that country. Nevertheless, there would have been a shortage of available skilled and semi-skilled workers due to the lack of Irish industry and the premium wages available for Irishmen prepared to work in mainland factories. Limited availability of raw materials may have been more of an issue.

Given these obstacles, it may have proved easier to extend the Trafford Park Ford factory to assemblt tractors rather than build a new factory. It is easier to dilute existing workforce with semi-skilled workers, rather than recruit a new one. In addition, the North west had been identified as a area with a ready supply of semi-skilled women out of work due to the wartime depression in the cotton trade. This reason was a major factor in the decision to base Governemnt National Aircraft Factories on the outskirts of Liverpool (Aintree) and Manchester (Heaton Chapel).

Your point about the problem of producing 6,000 tractors in such a short time is valid also. TI gather that the first Fordson F was completed at Dearborn on 8 October 1917, and only 253 more were completed by the end of the year. Nevertheless. 31.167 were made in 1918.

The cost of shipment is something to be factored in as well. The Fordson F was priced originally at £250, £80 of which was the cost of freight from Dearborn. Presumably, the freight cost of parts would have been less than this ?
Nick

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