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Howard Reduction Box Shaft

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Charles James

03-19-2008 02:32:55




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I have a howard reduction box for a fordson major but with no shaft, so I'm looking for help! firstly can anyone tell me if there is only one shaft needed or is it like the dextra where you need one for the dif and one for the pto. The easy option is to put it at the back of the garage and buy another with a shaft but I like a challenge! I have an engineering friend who can make a shaft if I can get the spec, does anyone have a scale drawing of the shaft or spec that I can have? long shot I know but worth a try!

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kenneth armour

04-04-2008 11:52:56




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 Re: Howard Reduction Box Shaft in reply to Charles James, 03-19-2008 02:32:55  
Hi Charles:

I have not forgotten about the pics and an accurate measurement of the shaft

Kenneth



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Charles James

04-06-2008 14:15:54




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 Re: Howard Reduction Box Shaft in reply to kenneth armour, 04-04-2008 11:52:56  
Hi Kenneth, an update! I've managed to purchase a back end with gearbox so hopefully in a couple of weeks I will have the necessary bits of shafts to make one up.
Charles



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Charles James

04-05-2008 01:49:26




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 Re: Howard Reduction Box Shaft in reply to kenneth armour, 04-04-2008 11:52:56  
Thanks Kenneth,I look forward to seeing them.
Charles



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kenneth armour

03-20-2008 18:15:15




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 Re: Howard Reduction Box Shaft in reply to Charles James, 03-19-2008 02:32:55  
Hi Charles:
Well I went out to the garage and examined the shaft.

Roadless traction was both ingenious and simple in the fabrication of the shaft.

Shaft is just a little shy of 7 inches long.

What they did was to take the male end of the PTO shaft (the end that goes inside the tractor) and weld it to the female end that the PTO shaft goes into without the reduction box or four wheel drive box. (You would have to cut the PTO shaft at the splined end (not the end that sticks out of the tractor at the back as the splines are different)

It seems like a very simple fabrication.

All you would need is a spare PTO shaft and the part it goes into inside the tractor cut them fit them and weld them.

there is a bit of a ovrlap in that the piece of PTO shaft with the splines is inserted into the other piece for strength, there may be some machining involved in order to get them to go inside each other

Then you reverse the extension shaft so now the male end of the regular PTO shaft goes into the female end of the extension shaft and the male end of the extension shaft goes into the tractor and pronto you have your extension. The trick would be ensuring it is welded straight which would be accomplised by putting the two pieces in a lathe and while turning weld it.

Whoever was the engineer for Roadless Traction was ingenious.

I will still post you some pics. But it seems like it is a simple fabrication once I took a closer look at the shaft.

In the UK you have Majors dime a dozen so I am assuming it would not be hard to get these parts from a wrecking yard.

Hope this helps.

Kenneth

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kenneth armour

03-20-2008 17:03:35




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 Re: Howard Reduction Box Shaft in reply to Charles James, 03-19-2008 02:32:55  
Hi Charles:

I will take some pics and send them along may be a week or so before I can get around to it.

I am very glad I may be of some assistance.

A Howard box just sold on ebay for 180 UKP I would not of minded getting it but shipping was 200 UKP so was a bit too pricey for me.

the Roadless I salvaged is in the caribbean. I have the shaft in Halifax with me. Plan is to ship the box and front diff up this summer when I visit, but depends on costs.

Kenneth

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Charles James

03-21-2008 03:53:31




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 Re: Howard Reduction Box Shaft in reply to kenneth armour, 03-20-2008 17:03:35  
Hi Kenneth, the box on ebay was the one I bought, but at the time I didn't realise it needed a shaft,thank you for your explanation, I thought that it wouldn't be to difficult to fabricate, I had the idea of welding an old dif/pto shaft together somehow and I think you have just confirmed that's possible, your pictures and if you can an accurate length measurement please, should allow me to fabricate the shaft prior to dismantling the major which would be ideal, I have a good welder and lathe to get it straight and with your help I could be well on the way.
Thank you very much for your help, without it this box would have remained useless, it is much appreciated.
Regards
Charles

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kenneth armour

03-20-2008 08:24:42




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 Re: Howard Reduction Box Shaft in reply to Charles James, 03-19-2008 02:32:55  
Hi Charles.

Shaft is not for sale.

Where are you located

My understanding is these shafts are very rare and very hard to come by. The most I could offer is to take it to a machine shop here in Halifax, Nova Scotia, and get you a quote on how much they would charge to make you a copy.

Please do not get me wrong. It not that I do not trust you to return the shaft to me, but if it got lost I may not ever find another one.

I salvaged a Fordson SM Roadless and am going to eventually convert my 2 wheel drive FSM to a roadless.

Kenneth

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Charles James

03-20-2008 10:38:03




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 Re: Howard Reduction Box Shaft in reply to kenneth armour, 03-20-2008 08:24:42  
I understand totally,I forget this site is global, I'm in the UK but if you are willing to get a price for me I'm sure I can arrange export.
I would very much appreciate your assistance with this as the box I have is obviously useless without it,Perhaps you would be kind enough to email me some photo's on charles@otterytantique.co.uk so that I can be sure it's the correct shaft before you go to the trouble of pricing for me Regards
Charles

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Charles James

03-20-2008 10:39:07




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 Re: Howard Reduction Box Shaft in reply to Charles James, 03-20-2008 10:38:03  
email address should have read charles@otteryantiques.co.uk



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kenneth armour

03-19-2008 13:39:35




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 Re: Howard Reduction Box Shaft in reply to Charles James, 03-19-2008 02:32:55  
You only need one shaft for the SM. I Assume the major is the same.
Goes between the big shaft at the back of the gearbox. and extends the PTO shaft.

I have one from my box from a Fordson SM roadless. its about 6-8 inches long.
Kenneth



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Charles James

03-19-2008 14:43:14




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 Re: Howard Reduction Box Shaft in reply to kenneth armour, 03-19-2008 13:39:35  
Thanks for that Kenneth, I'm new to tractors and so not up on fordsons I'm afraid, this is going on a power major, it does sounds the right size and I understand it's the same as the roadless, I imagine the shaft you have is not for sale as you have the box as well? but if not would you consider a hire of it so that I can make a copy? I would be happy to give a decent deposit so you'll know you will get it back?
Charles

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