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The Plan...

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John-Paul (Finl

04-04-2000 23:44:44




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OK Here's the plan...

Tonight (if I get time after getting this irritating work business out of the way) I shall fill the tractor up with water, and crank it up & see what happens.

First though I have to put some oil in the gearbox! I checked, and (I hope you're sitting down when you read this) there was absolutely none! I took the filler cap off, and looked inside... nothing! Then I made a paper dipstick about 30cm long, and put that in to see if I could find any oil in there, and... it came out dry. Whoops! It makes me sweat a bit now to think that we ran the engine a few weeks back.

I don't suppose... er.. that this could have done any harm, could it? I don't suppose that the tractor was ever really used with no oil in the gearbox; the previous owner is a pretty sensible chap.

Don, Brian: You're more than welcome.. but, you realise how dangerous it is to visit Finland? I mean, you do know that there's 'no escape' as the saying goes?? I'm a Brit, which I'm sure you realise. I came here for six months... er.. six years ago!

Cheers, and many many thanks again

J-P

OH yeah one other thing - how much oil to put in the air cleaner? Do I just make sure the wire mesh element is liberally coated (which is what I've done) or does there have to be oil in hte bottom of the 'can' too? Sorry for all these daft questions!

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Don(CO)

04-05-2000 06:21:09




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 Re: The Plan... in reply to John-Paul (Finland the FUNland), 04-04-2000 23:44:44  
J-P: You have a splendid sense of humor! I enjoy reading your posts. Now, as for the transmission being dry, I doubt your little test run did any harm, the question is why it was empty. There is a seal between the gearbox case and the differential case. This seal is most likely the reason your gearbox was dry. If you check your differential dipstick... and it is well above the FULL mark,,, your gearbox oil is leaking past the seal into the differential housing. Solution: You have to split the tractor to get to it, and; while you have the tractor split, you may as well replace the clutch. The New Major transmission was very well built, and it will most likely continue to be serviceable with proper lubrication for years. The short term solution if indeed that seal is leaking... is to check the transmission level often, and when it leaks down and the differential dipstick is reading over full... to drain and strain fluid from the rear-end and replace in the transmission.

I just wanted you to know that detail John-Paul, keep us posted of your differential lube level and if and how fast the transmission fluid leaks into the differential housing.

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John-Paul (Finland)

04-06-2000 01:42:38




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 Re: Re: The Plan... in reply to Don(CO), 04-05-2000 06:21:09  
... And I was hoping that the oil had um.. evaporated somehow! Seriously though it did occur to me that something like this might have been going on - I just didn't really want to think about it! Splitting the tractor is something that I will have to do anyway because the clutch needs replacing. Let's see what happens when I finally get around to putting oil in the gearbox. Did I mention that there is no oil in the rear axle either? I think if now oil leaks from the gearbox into the back axle it won't get high enough to reach the dipstick, but, if it's not obviously running out somewhere underneath the machine this has got to be where it's going.

I couldn't put any of 'the plan' into operation yesterday because my girlfriend was sick, which meant that I had to exercise the horse. Tonight we shear Harald and Hemingway (the Kainuu ewes, they look a lot like Shetlands) and at the weekend we have two crazy toddlers to look after, so I'm afraid it's likely to be next week before there's any more news about my transmission oil levels. I hope you can wait that long!

Cheers for now,
J-P

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Brian

04-06-2000 05:18:47




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 Re: Re: Re: The Plan... in reply to John-Paul (Finland), 04-06-2000 01:42:38  
John-Paul,
This is a poor excuse. You could have at least tried one that involved frost bite whilst checking the clutch clearance:)
Your oil could have been drained for some reason. The only place on the machine that would affect both gearbox oil and rear axle oil is if someone has had the pto shaft out and removed the housing at the bottom of the gearbox. Or a major oil loss from the rear end may be something to do with the external hydraulics. You will certainly need oil in the back axle when you start or make certain that the pto is disengaged as running the hydraulic pump dry could prove fatal (for the pump and your bank balance).
Best of luck.
Brian.

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John-Paul

04-07-2000 00:09:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: The Plan... in reply to Brian, 04-06-2000 05:18:47  
Hi again

Just briefly... 1. How do I make sure the pto is disengaged? Handle forwards or backwards?

2. Is there any possibility at all that the vehicle could have a negative earth? I ask because the battery leads have the correct size terminals for negative earth (is the earth slightly fatter?), anyway the battery fits this way round, also the previous owner says that it is so, and that his Super Major also has the negative going to the chassis, also this is how we started it up! Having said that, my first ever job was driving an ERF 16 tonner that had a five-cylinder Gardner diesel in it which would run backwards after a fashion if you happened to stop cranking it at just the wrong moment. Entertaining to discover that you had ten reverse gears, and alarming to think about just how effective the oil pump was running backwards...

Cheers everyone and have a good weekend

J-P

PS Brian, as you're a Brit, did you ever notice any anachronistic ERF 'A' series wagons on the road during the mid 80's?

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Brian

04-07-2000 10:07:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Plan... in reply to John-Paul, 04-07-2000 00:09:51  
John-Paul,
Handle forward is pto disengaged. All Majors were positive earth. Fords did not go to negative earth until 1965. The "fat" terminal is positive. You will be ok whilst the dynamo is disconnected but all your good work could disappear in smoke if the dynamo is connected the wrong way round.
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Brian.

My brother drove ERF's with the Rolls - Royce diesel with air shift in the late 80s. Eight wheelers, Some machine. My memories is of the 1960's when a local coal merchant had a Foden with a horizontally opposed two-stroke, similar to a Commer TS3. Again an eight wheeler and with a full load of coal, when it pulled up a short hill away from the traffic lights in our town, the windows of our car showroom 50 yards away used to vibrate.

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Oscar

04-05-2000 02:20:01




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 Re: The Plan... in reply to John-Paul (Finland the FUNland), 04-04-2000 23:44:44  
J-P, it's possible the gearbox was damaged. No oil means rust, and rust could mean trouble. Fill 'er up with oil, GENTLY allow the engine to warm up (stay below 1300 rpm, no revving!), then engage the live power takeoff. Put the tractor in first gear (low gearing) and drive a few feet. Listen for gearbox noises. If there are, chances are some teeth broke off. You need to find and remove those before driving the tractor any further! As for the air filter, you need to fill that up with oil until the mesh filter is at least half submersed!

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John-Paul

04-05-2000 03:14:02




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 Re: Re: The Plan... in reply to Oscar, 04-05-2000 02:20:01  
Hi Oscar,
Actually although there is apparently absolutely no oil in the gearbox, the parts that are visible in there are shiny and rust free - perhaps there is hope?!

Now I also remember that I have to dismantle the front mounted hydraulic system before I can run the engine again - there is no oil in that either and I don't want to destroy the pump. I have to get a film for my camera before I take that lot apart as I have promised Karl some photos.

Thanks, I will be careful!

J-P

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