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Jim Senger

01-07-2002 07:14:29




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I am looking for the approximate horse power of my '58 FMD, can anyone help me? Thanks, Jim S.




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charles

01-10-2002 09:15:04




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 Re: Horse Power? in reply to Jim Senger, 01-07-2002 07:14:29  
I have both a power major and a new performance 4wd super major.I find that although the HP numbers may be similar, in work the later engine has far more lugging power at lower revs perhaps due to the Minimec pump,this means that in heavy work there is no comparison between the two machines



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Brian

01-08-2002 14:08:13




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 Re: Horse Power? in reply to Jim Senger, 01-07-2002 07:14:29  
Jim,
Fords Quote in their service litereture in January 1963.
Major: 1217101 to 1425096 = 40.5 @ 1600rpm.
Major Mk 2 1425097 to 1481090 = 44 @ 1600rpm.
Power Major 1481091 to 1599501 = 51.8 @ 1600rpm.
Super Major 1599502 to 08C960336 = 51.8 @ 1600rpm
New Performance Super Major 08C960336 to 08D976148
= 53.7 @ 1825rpm. (New Performance figures quoted from 1964 sales books)
regards
Brian

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fordson29

01-07-2002 16:30:03




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 Re: Horse Power? in reply to Jim Senger, 01-07-2002 07:14:29  
major----38.5 pto and 34.2 drawbar
power major--47.7 pto and 42.6 drawbar
super major--47.53 pto and 40.2 drawbar

Jonathan (JJK Tractor Salvage)



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TH

01-08-2002 02:48:33




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 Re: Re: Horse Power? in reply to fordson29, 01-07-2002 16:30:03  
According to what I've heard the Super Major is supposed to be more powerful than the Power Major (Super came after the Power). Where did you get these numbers?



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fordson29

01-08-2002 05:58:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Horse Power? in reply to TH, 01-08-2002 02:48:33  
Major test # 500 in 1953
P major test #685 in 1959
S major test #845 in 1963

Nebraska Tractor Test.



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Steven B

01-09-2002 05:08:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Horse Power? in reply to fordson29, 01-08-2002 05:58:35  
Note that PTO horspower is also dependant on type of PTO fitted. Standard PTO speed is 540rpm at the following engine speeds:

1 Standard PTO, FMD, FPM, FSM at 1200rpm
2 Raised PTO, FPM, FSM at 1600rpm
3 Standard and Raised PTO, New Performance Super, 1400rpm.

The early raised PTO type is the more powerfull and the early standard the least.

Also note that the NP FSM had a 4.375:1 diff ratio as opposed to 3.5:1. Drawbar horse power is dependant on wheel/tyre size, balast etc.

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fordson29

01-09-2002 08:06:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Horse Power? in reply to Steven B, 01-09-2002 05:08:21  
I was just quoting the Test. Wasn't trying to start a war..



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Steven B (To Fordson 29)

01-09-2002 12:41:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Horse Power? in reply to fordson29, 01-09-2002 08:06:32  
No war intended, just adding info and trying to answer the question why the FPM has more draw bar hp than the Super.

My friend has a 53 kero Major that he uses for pulling, it looks stock but the head is shaved, he shortend the rockers to give more valve lift and the rear tyes are of a Aussie ford 5000, 18.5by30. The carb is of a six cylinder Thames Trader truck. This thing way out pulls my Super Major ;-)

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Brian

01-09-2002 12:22:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Horse Power? in reply to fordson29, 01-09-2002 08:06:32  
Fordson 29,
No offense taken or intended. Life is too short :0). But the difference between the Power and Super that you quote is interesting. The transmission was basically the same through out the life of the Major series so the hp loss should have been similar. It is in the Major and the Power Major but greater in the Super. The axle change that Stephen mentioned actually geared down the tractor which should have given more draw bar hp. Have you any idea on the spec of the Super tested? We do not get Nebraska Tests here in England.
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Brian

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fordson29

01-09-2002 14:45:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Horse Power? in reply to Brian, 01-09-2002 12:22:14  
Major-- test # 500
Diesel
pto--38.5
drawbar--34.2
fuel cons.--15.5
weight--7,890
rubber tires
year--1953

P-Major-- test # 685
Diesel
pto--47.7
drawbar--42.6
fuel cons.--15.5
weight--10,370
wheels--rubber
year--1959

S major test # 845
Diesel
pto--47.53
drawbar--40.2
fuel cons.--15.5
weight--10,845
tires--rubber
year--1963


I am far from being a expert on this subject and I am giving you info from what I am reading.
The super major and new performance super major were the same as the power major except for the incorporation of modern disk brakes, a live pto, and a differential lock. The lift also now had draft control. I also noticed that the RPM was raised 100. I do see your point it don't make sense to me. You would think that the HP would be much higher. Also with you being in England I was wondering if there are many 1929-1932 Cork, Ireland Fordsons there??
Jonathan (JJK Tractor Salvage)

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Brian

01-10-2002 10:23:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Horse Power? in reply to fordson29, 01-09-2002 14:45:59  
Jonathan,

There are quite a few at rallys and the occasional one up for sale in the vintage magazines. There are far more Model N's about.

Getting back to the Major discussion, there is another anomoly in the data. The weights quoted are way above the weights of the tractors.

The Major is quoted at 5010 lbs in the hand book so it looks like some 2000 lbs were added.

The Power and Super Major were also around the 5010 lbs in weight, in their case the weight was increased by over 100%.

Also the differences between the Power and the Super are quoted as axle and lift. By 1963 the engine had a mechanical governed pump, the Simms Minimec, and changes to the cam,valves and cylinder head.

It does raise questions of accuracy in the Nebraska reports. Or was the report doctored to show the Major in a poor light by one of the Yellow and Green boys? :0)

regards

Brian

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Jim Senger

01-09-2002 16:43:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Horse Power? in reply to fordson29, 01-09-2002 14:45:59  
Thanks to all, I just love the way the questions evolve. I always learn alot, Cheers, Jim S. (Canada)



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