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Matt

02-24-2004 12:37:04




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Anyone know of an engine swap for a 55 Major Diesel? I would like to upgrade to a 6 cylinder diesel engine, but the only information I can find recommends a "thames trader" truck engine, or an engine from a Ford combine, both of which must be fairly common in England, but are like hen's teeth in my area of the USA. Anyone know of something in the states that could be swapped in? I am open to any suggestions.

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Steven B

02-24-2004 15:23:11




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 Re: Engine swap in reply to Matt, 02-24-2004 12:37:04  
Matt

The "Thames Traded" 330 CID diesel was also sold in industrial and marine form, called the "590E". This engine can also be found in very early combines. This engine was available in the States but I imagine it would now be hard to find. There are two versions, one with the simms pump and later (1962 onwards) with a minimec pump.

Another engine is the 2000E series. Also called the Dorset and Dover. These engines are common in combines (New Holland, CLAAS) and range in size from 240CID 4cyl to 250CID four cyl and 6cyl ranges are 330, 360, 365, 380 and 360turbo. These engines can also be fitted to a Major. Do a search for Dorset or Dover diesel and you should find somthing on the net. Also try 590e, you never know your luck.

I have a large quantaty of 590e engines but I am in Australia so I cant help you much.

Steven B

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Jody

02-26-2004 18:01:09




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 Re: Re: Engine swap in reply to Steven B, 02-24-2004 15:23:11  
Steven B I have 2 of these engines you are taking about. I beleve they are the 590's. They have the simms pump. they also have the marine gear, hydralic reverser and the exhaust manifold that runs water though it. Manifold is marked ECONO-POWER. I was lead to think that the 590 and the Dorset was one in the same? Also I think this is the same engine as the county SUPER SIX? And I have wondered about the ford 6000 also. When I bought these motors I didn't know they were marine engines. My intent was to stick one in a loader tractor because of the reverser, but I am now looking to put one in a Super Six or a plain major. Just sharing info. Thanks Jody

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Steven B

02-26-2004 19:37:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Engine swap in reply to Jody, 02-26-2004 18:01:09  
Jody,
These engines are not one and the same. They are related.

The 590E has the injector pump mounted in the middle of the block with a 6inch exposed drive shaft. Also look at the cylinder head for the part number. If it starts with 510E then its a 590E engine (330CID). This is the same as the engine fitted to a FORDSON County Super Six. It is the six cylinder version of the Fordson tractor engine. Also fitted to trucks. The engines were built in Mk1 form from 1957 to 61 and Mk 2 form from 62 to 64.

The Dorset and Dover engines (2000E series) have the injector pump mounted directly to the timing case. These engines were fitted to FORD County sixes. These engines were built from 65 to 69 (Dover) and 70 to 92 (Dorset) They were used primarily in D series trucks until 1981 the Ford Cargo trucks to 92.

Steven

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Matt

02-25-2004 07:12:43




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 Re: Re: Engine swap in reply to Steven B, 02-24-2004 15:23:11  
Thanks for all the Info, Steven.
If I could find one of the engines you mentioned, how difficult would it be to mate it to the bell on the Major? I read on another discussion board that the stock Major diesel engine was just a cut-down version of the 6 cylinder diesel in the Trader. Are the engines you mentioned similar? If so, they should bolt right up to the transmission, but the frame will obviously have to be stretched.
Any other tips for this kind of conversion?
Wish I was a little closer to Australia. Sounds like you have the market cornered on just the parts I am looking for.
Thanks again.

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Steven B

02-26-2004 03:30:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Engine swap in reply to Matt, 02-25-2004 07:12:43  
Matt

The Dover and Dorset series are direct decendants of the engine fitted to the Fordson tractor and Thames trucks. They will bolt up to the Tractor trans except one bolt at the bottom.

The oil pan on all of these engines is aluminium but its no big deal. You will need to extend the side frames and fabricate front engine mounts. The later engined have a revised front timing gear housing and the injector pump does not have the external shaft. Also the oil pump is relocated half way down the right side of the engine.

You will need to make a bracket to take the wishbone. I have seen them mouned to the rear of the axle as well as the front. Front mount wish bone looks ugly but is easier to do.

You will need the tractor oil filter as the truck industrial unit will not clear the side rail.

These engines were built right up to 1992 so you should be able to locate one.

Oh yes, I forgot the clutch. I would use a larger truck type. I am not sure but I think a mid 60s F750 13inch should do the job. Just experiment and play around. I use the Thames Trader or Ford D series truck clutch. Check out the photos of my Thames Trader and my Ford D Series trucks on the classic truck photos on this site. The Thames has the 330 cid diesel and the D series has the 380.

Steven B

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matt

02-26-2004 12:21:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Engine swap in reply to Steven B, 02-26-2004 03:30:44  
Thanks again Steven.
I have been doing a few searches for the Dorsett and Dover, and it is interesting to note that many of the searches lead to marine applications. Have to keep my eyes open for an old boat too!
If they were made up until '92, you are correct in that I should be able to find one. I will have to make some time to go to a few of the larger wrecking yards and take a look around. I will be sure to check back with you if I find an engine and begin the swap.
Thanks again.

Matt

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Steven B

02-24-2004 15:25:04




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 Re: Re: Engine swap in reply to Steven B, 02-24-2004 15:23:11  
That should be "Thames Trader" i ought to know, I own a few, excuse the typo's I was in a rush.



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