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Live PTO/LIFT vs NO Live PTO/LIFT

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Robert

04-29-2004 09:07:00




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I have been a little confused of late concerning
live PTO/LIFT versus NO live PTO/LIFT. Could someone explain the real difference here? Does LIVE mean that the PTO/LIFT can be operated while
the tractor is in motion or sitting in neutral with clutch disengaged, or while the clutch is
engaged, or does it mean that the PTO/LIFT can be operated independent of the transmission?? Thanks, Robert

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Mark

05-06-2004 22:12:09




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 Re: Live PTO/LIFT vs NO Live PTO/LIFT in reply to Robert, 04-29-2004 09:07:00  
One of my tractors has an extra transmission bolted to the pto output shaft housing.Would this be considered a way to get Live PTO without the two stage clutch?



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Robert

05-13-2004 08:49:46




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 Re: Re: Live PTO/LIFT vs NO Live PTO/LIFT in reply to Mark, 05-06-2004 22:12:09  
Mark,

Based on the explanations of LIVE PTO given so far, I would suspect that if the input of the 2nd transmission is connected to the regular PTO output,which is not LIVE, then this still would not provide live PTO. It would have to be connected to something that would not stop turning when the clutch is engaged. Sounds like this would only allow the speed of the PTO to be regulated without changing tractor speed or RPM. But I may be wrong. Robert

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Mark

05-04-2004 20:27:11




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 Re: Live PTO/LIFT vs NO Live PTO/LIFT in reply to Robert, 04-29-2004 09:07:00  
What is needed then to convert to Live PTO from No Live PTO? Just the two stage clutch or?



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CalG

05-05-2004 08:50:38




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 Re: Re: Live PTO/LIFT vs NO Live PTO/LIFT in reply to Mark, 05-04-2004 20:27:11  
YEP!, Just a two stage clutch.

Not a small engineering exercise I would bet.

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CalG



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Mark

05-05-2004 21:20:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Live PTO/LIFT vs NO Live PTO/LIFT in reply to CalG, 05-05-2004 08:50:38  
Do you know of anyone who has done a two stage clutch conversion?



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CalG

05-06-2004 08:54:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Live PTO/LIFT vs NO Live PTO/LIFT in reply to Mark, 05-05-2004 21:20:12  
NOT AND LIVED TO TELL ABOUT IT! ;-)



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Robert

04-30-2004 06:27:55




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 Re: Live PTO/LIFT vs NO Live PTO/LIFT in reply to Robert, 04-29-2004 09:07:00  
Thanks to all for the clarification. I have a Fordson Major Diesel that I am currently working
on and am not sure whether it has the 2 stage
clutch or not. I only had it running long enough
to load it on the trailer. Thanks again, Robert



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CalG

04-30-2004 06:10:39




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 Re: Live PTO/LIFT vs NO Live PTO/LIFT in reply to Robert, 04-29-2004 09:07:00  
On the E27n which does NOT have a live PTO or lift, when the clutch is disengaged, there is no power transmitted to the hydraulic pump or the PTO. That is these units are driven off the transmission shaft, not the engine shaft.
In Gear or in Neutral, if the clutch is out, both those systems can be powered if their gears are put to task.

On rigs WITH live PTO/ hydraulics, the power for these services are taken from a second drive on the main shaft that is put into play by means of a TWO POSITION CLUTCH.

Some of the biggest tractors have the ancillary drives on an entirely different shaft with a second method of disengagement.

I hope this helps

CalG

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WayneB

04-29-2004 10:00:50




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 Re: Live PTO/LIFT vs NO Live PTO/LIFT in reply to Robert, 04-29-2004 09:07:00  
A tractor with live PTO has a two stage clutch. The bottom half of the clutch is for PTO stoppage, the top halve, stops the tractor, while the PTO still runs. Thus when the pedal is pressed half down, the tractor stops, while the PTO operated item continues to spin. A full pedal depression ceases everything.

No live PTO normally means, the PTO is run off the transmission output, thus when the clutch is pressed, it stops tractor and PTO. Unfortunately, like when bush-hogging, you press the pedal to stop, the PTO with this mass inertia of hog blades "pushes" the tractor. Many owners incorporate a "over-ride spragg" cluch at tractor PTO output, which spins and does not push tractor.
Independent PTO is still another type. The clutch has no affect on it, it can either be electric operated, or with another control, like hydraulic.
Hope this helps.
Wayne

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