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Gasoline in diesel to aid starting!

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henry joyce

05-20-2004 08:01:31




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I see al ot of discussion on dextas with starting problems and the warning to avoid ether like the plague!

Does any one have a view or experience of mixing gasoline with the diesel to aid start up. Is this an old wives tale? Does it work? does it have implications for cylinder lubrication. I would be interested in your views
thanks HENRY




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Gary

05-23-2004 14:16:41




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 Re: Gasoline in diesel to aid starting! in reply to henry joyce, 05-20-2004 08:01:31  
Don't use either or gas. I had a gm diesel and WD40 would work just fine. a little squrit in the intake and off it would go. It offers some upper lube that either doesn't. Works just fine and the motor will like it better also. Gary



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KX

05-24-2004 08:30:31




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 Re: Re: Gasoline in diesel to aid starting! in reply to Gary, 05-23-2004 14:16:41  
Gary, WD40 USED to start a diesel because it used to have propane gas in it as a propellant. The new WD40 will not start a diesel anymore, they use another propellant that is inert now. I found out the hard way, I used to use it all time too like you did.



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Bill

05-23-2004 08:43:33




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 Re: Gasoline in diesel to aid starting! in reply to henry joyce, 05-20-2004 08:01:31  
I had a 82 VW Rabbit deisel bought new and the manual said add 10% gas at that time. I put in a bigger battery and when it was going to drop to 10 at night I'd go down and put some gas in. I'd put in 1 gal to every 10 deisel. and it only had a 10 gal tank. It stood on the end of my drive up in WI and the neighbor mechanic said he always watched me start it in awe. I used the car for work everyday and it never got plugged in. I used Mobil 1 too the secound year or so as I think it was just coming out. A fellow with one like it used the anti-gel and his failed a couple times and he went to gas-----but that was in 82 and I'm sure the anti gels improved and this was a lot smaller engine, but it did have glowplugs. Oh I put 100,000 on that car, I know deisels will go much more than that.Bill

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Jay

05-23-2004 06:01:07




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 Re: Gasoline in diesel to aid starting! in reply to henry joyce, 05-20-2004 08:01:31  
Adding up to about 10% gasoline to diesel will lower the temperature that the diesel will temporarily gel and plug filters, etc. However;

The mixture is more explosive than straight gasoline.

The mixture is harder to ignite in a diesel engine due to the "octane" of the gas.

The gas has no lubrication value, so will wear out injectors, pump, etc. sooner.

Mixing in a little gas would work in an emergency, but using the commercial additives available to lower the gel point would be safer, work better, not make starting more difficult, and add lubricity to the fuel. I would only use the additive if I expected temperatures below 20 F. or so. My personal experience with Stanadyne (injector pump mfg.) additive has been good.

Difficulty starting a diesel is usually due to: Slow cranking speed, no fuel, timing incorrect, and low compression (worn out engine) in this order. You might look there first.

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james

05-28-2004 12:33:23




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 Re: Re: Gasoline in diesel to aid starting! in reply to Jay, 05-23-2004 06:01:07  
Listen to this fellow, putting in gas is a sure way to cause fuel pump and injector problems.



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nwb

05-22-2004 19:02:05




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 Re: Gasoline in diesel to aid starting! in reply to henry joyce, 05-20-2004 08:01:31  
Maybe I'm lucky, but my Dexta starts well. I use a magnetic block heater whenever I can. I had to start it one time this winter without the heater. I used the manifold heater and the excess fuel button. It started right up. It was 7 degrees F. I guess since mine starts well maybe the answer is not ether or gasoline, but rather a good engine and proper starting proceedures. Now I've probably cursed my Dexta and it won't start on Monday! LOL

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Majorman

05-22-2004 01:28:05




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 Re: Gasoline in diesel to aid starting! in reply to henry joyce, 05-20-2004 08:01:31  
If you got that info from "an old wife" she was probably trying to collect on the life insurance!



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tractorfix

05-22-2004 09:34:49




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 Re: Re: Gasoline in diesel to aid starting! in reply to Majorman, 05-22-2004 01:28:05  
That's an old trucker's trick. Mad Max was also an expert diesel brewmaster. The problem is that gasoline is so much more volatile than diesel fuel, and the violent combustion is very hard/fatal on the bottom end. Crushed mothballs will work too. If you are weary of ether try waving a gasoline soaked rag over the air intake while cranking. The fumes from the evaporating gas will help it start without the violence of ether. Remember , like all else moderation is the name of the game--- AND NEVER EVER TRY ANY OF THIS CRAP ON ANY ENGINE EQUIPPED WITH GLOW PLUGS OR ANY OTHER PREHEAT DEVICE (example-DEXTA)

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