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Jeff C

05-28-2004 17:36:40




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I recently got my '57 FMD to start really good (new starter/battery) without ether!!! But then I changed the oil. I inadvertently put a tad too much oil in the engine, about 3/8 of an inch or so over the full mark on the dipstick. It stared no problem but began to smoke a lot shortly after and it began to leak or "push" oil out the exhaust. Since then the smoking has subsided back to "normal" but now it needs ether to start again, even though it cranks really well. Are the injectors fouled in some way due to excess oil being somehow "thrown" up into the cylinders, i.e. past the rings or down the guides or through a leaky head and/or head gasket? I'd really like to solve this problem because it does run really well and I want to rig it up during the summer for snowclearing next winter, it's got to be reliable. Thanks.

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Jerry G

06-01-2004 05:02:16




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 Re: Hard to start again. in reply to Jeff C, 05-28-2004 17:36:40  
When I bought my '55 FMD last fall, the engine oil was well over the full mark on the dipstick. The guy I purchased it from had it a short while before moving it on and advised it came to him in this condition. I'm still using it with excess oil in it and there doesn't seem to be any problems with the engine. It doesn't like to start without an ether boost (anytime). When I do use it, I plan my jobs so I don't have to shut it down. When the engine is hot, it's a bear to crank because of the high compression (probably need a new battery), and I have to jockey the compression release around to get the right combination of compression and rotation before she'll fire. Each one develops their own attitude I guess. So, I don't think the excess oil has fouled your injectors. I would have been having problems long ago. Best of luck, Jerry

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Charles

06-01-2004 03:03:16




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 Re: Hard to start again. in reply to Jeff C, 05-28-2004 17:36:40  
I have used majors for many , many hours and don't believe that you should pull the injectors just yet , give the engine a few days hard work before doing anything . Is it reaching operating temp? they do run cold . Check your heavy leads and battery connections again.



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Mark

05-29-2004 06:49:43




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 Re: Hard to start again. in reply to Jeff C, 05-28-2004 17:36:40  
Maybe running it at operating temp for a couple of hours might help.Does it use excessive oil or have you ran it long enough to know?I use a coolant heater here during the winter.Mine was installed in the lower radiator hose.Most auto parts stores carry them.



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Jeff C

05-29-2004 16:43:35




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 Re: Re: Hard to start again. in reply to Mark, 05-29-2004 06:49:43  
It doesn't seem to be using any significant amount of oil, I've used it for a couple of hours since the oil change. Other than the oil level has gone down to the full mark from the excess level I had in it, it seems to run fine, EXCEPT now it won't start without ether. I too have a coolant heater and it does a good job but it's been well above freezing for a while here now so I haven't bothered plugging it in. Somehow I must have "fouled" the injectors. Is it a big job to just remove them and wash them off or something without actually disassembling them?

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ron algiere

05-31-2004 05:07:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Hard to start again. in reply to Jeff C, 05-29-2004 16:43:35  
if you really want to check the injectors, you might need a special puller. to try without one, first unbolt everthing attached to them they try to crank the engine, sometimes the compression alone will blow them free, a trick a machinist showed me. Does the tractor start easily with starter fluid?



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nwb

05-30-2004 16:02:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Hard to start again. in reply to Jeff C, 05-29-2004 16:43:35  
I'm just a farmer that does his own engine work. I've never worked on a Major but I have woked on 5 and 8000s. I always work with an I&T shop manual. Pulling the injectors is not hard on the tractors mentioned above and I think the Major will be simular. There will be some type of gaskets that should be replace and torque specs to follow. I encourage you to take them to a diesel shop to be checked out. I've heard that you cannot tell much from sight. The cost has been between $100 and $500 (US). By doing this you will at least eliminate the injectors as your problem. LOL

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