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Cub cadet hydro speed

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Brian CNY

09-23-2000 17:58:06




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The locals have gotten pretty serious about lawnmower races. I would like to enter the old 129 hydro that I've got but I'm wasting my time without finding a way to get more speed out of the hydro. Most guys are using belt driven transaxle mowers and changing the pulley size to gain speed. Any ideas on how to get more speed and maintain control in the hydro. Everyone is running taller tires and have increased engine speed by about 50%. The hydro's just don't compete with the pulley machines. Any ideas?

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Mark

09-28-2000 11:53:28




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 Re: cub cadet hydro speed in reply to Brian CNY, 09-23-2000 17:58:06  
I would think hard about jacking up pressure in a hydrastatic transmission. If you go too far, you might end up with shrapnel in your lower extremities and that would not be good. In the case of some of the Peerless gear boxes, they were made to accept either an Eaton or a Sundstrand hydrastat. In one case, you can mis-match the Peerless gear box with the hydrastat and effectively get twice the speed. I cannot remember exactly, but I think the output speed of the Sundstrand is about half that of the Eaton but the final drive speed between equivalent tractors would be roughly the same. To make a long story longer, check into gearing changes and be careful overspeeding or over pressuring your hydrastat.

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Jim B.

09-26-2000 14:30:31




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 Re: cub cadet hydro speed in reply to Brian CNY, 09-23-2000 17:58:06  
Hey Brian, Let us know what works out! JIM



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Jim S.

09-25-2000 08:19:40




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 Re: cub cadet hydro speed in reply to Brian CNY, 09-23-2000 17:58:06  
OK, here goes: There are 2 places I know of where speed is governed on CC hydros.

1.) The hydro control/trunnion lever on the left side of the transmission. There are centering springs there that keep the speed constant. It would seem to me that if one spring for the forward position were taken out and a long spring or spacer was installed in the slot where the reverse spring is, it would result in more swash plate tilt and faster speed. The tractor would likely have no reverse. The farther the swash plate can be moved forward internally, the more volume the charge pump pistons will deliver to the hydro motor pistons. Same goes for reverse.

2.) There are three valves in the top of the hydro. Two are relief valves, one for forward and one for reverse. Carefully disassembling these (they are not made to be taken apart) and installing stiffer springs would hype the hydraulic pressure. There is a center pressure relief spring and ball. A stiffer spring there would also hype the pressure.

I've never modified for more speed, but have seen these areas suggested as the trouble cause for a CC a guy owned that would do 30 or 40 mph in full forward. So that's where I'd start for more speed.

You might also try posting on a pulling tractor site to see if they have any further input.

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