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Ford 165

- no spark??

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mike m.

11-18-2000 15:57:24




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My tractor has run great all summer. Now all of a sudden I have no spark?? I've recharged battery, checked the wiring, and changed plug - - nothing. Any suggestions on the best and logical way to troubleshoot?? HELP!! My wife wants to shoot the thing!!




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Tom Spillers

06-06-2006 18:13:55




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 Re: Ford 165 - - no spark?? in reply to mike m., 11-18-2000 15:57:24  
Been there--done all the routine ignition troubleshooting stuff and more! Talk about being frustrated--@#(%$&@)! But then, I figured out that I was REALLY BEING HAD BY THE PTO SWITCH! In order to save us from ourselves, they installed ignition cutoffs in #1)the seat, #2)the hi-low hydrostat shifter, and #3)the PTO switch. Most everyone makes the LGT's more enjoyable and usable by hot-wire bypass of safeties #1 and #2.... But, who would ever think about #3??? If someone wants to dismount with the PTO running and the blades turning, then he probably shouldn't even be using the equipment...unless he is just stopping to stick his hand up the shute to clear a grass clog??? He can clear anything out of there real,real fast with the blades turning, and it should be his right to do so without interference! ANYWAY, THE FIX is to pull the PTO switch and disconnect the wiring contacts if you can break through the corrosion. Gentle back and forth lifting with a flat blade screwdriver from several directions usually works after a bit. File and scrape the corrosion off of the spade lugs and clean inside the slide-on wire connectors as best you can. Hit switch handle and pivot with some penetrating oil, hit all the backside contacts with a shot of battery corrosion spray, and then reconnect all. It's about a 15 to 20 minute job if you are thorough, and you can most likely get the old switch working with no trouble. If not, try for one of the many used ones being parted out and sold (ebay), or spring for a new one. Hotwiring will do the job temporarily in a pinch. While you're at it, consider giving the same service to the Ignition/Starter switch--It's probably not far behind in the weathering damage. That's really not bad service out of a 20 to 35 year old garden tractor. They are almost bullet proof, and the fixes are usually intuitively obvious--but this one sure had me stumped for more than a few minutes before finally figuring it out from an old KOHLER Engine Rebuild manual ignition schematic and troubleshooting guide!!!

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Lou

11-21-2000 21:58:28




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 Re: Ford 165 - - no spark?? in reply to mike m., 11-18-2000 15:57:24  
I don't know what kind of engine you have, but from your remarks I assume you have external points. If so, rotate the engine (Plug out)so the points are open. With the ignition on, you should have voltage at the points. You can check this by shorting the points with a screwdriver, you should see sparks there. Connect the plug to the plug wire and prop the plug someplace so that the body of the plug contacts the engine. Some people say hold the plug wire about a quarter inch from the head, but that might give you a surprise. Rotate the engine and every time the points open you should get a spark at the plug. Work in the shade or at night. If the plug doesn't spark, the points might be oily or not closing. Put a piece of paper (business card) between the points, close them and drag the paper through a few times. If you have a voltmeter, or a 12 volt test light, you can tell if the points are closing. If you haven't replaced the condenser, do that too. If that doesn't work, try a new coil.

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rod

11-18-2000 18:46:51




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 Re: Ford 165 - - no spark?? in reply to mike m., 11-18-2000 15:57:24  
I would use a trouble light, start at the battery and chase the spark. See where it ends. You didnt say if it even turns over. Or no spark at the plug



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mike m

11-19-2000 14:17:11




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 Re: Re: Ford 165 - - no spark?? in reply to rod, 11-18-2000 18:46:51  
Engine turns over great. My points are fine and in adjustment. I have 12 volts going into the coil, but how would I check for the spark there?? I thought the spark was generated by the
coil?? Thanks for the answer, and pardon my ignorance.....Mike



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rod

11-19-2000 19:41:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Ford 165 - - no spark?? in reply to mike m, 11-19-2000 14:17:11  
First I would pull the plug wire, stick a screwdriver in the end, hold it next to metal crank the engine and look for a spark. Should be blue color. If no spark, replace the wire, ensure the points are open and measure volts across the coil, should read full battery voltage. Then close the points, if you read full voltage again, then the points are shorted or coil wire to distributor is bad. Or you just may not have the points properly adjusted. Hope this helps

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