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Anyone have a rototilling buisness with a lawn garden tractor

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drew

02-11-2002 21:20:35




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hi i have a JD 140 with a rototiller and was wondering if anyone does gardens with a rotitiller as a side job? if so any advice to give.
thanks in advance




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Eric

02-16-2002 04:38:22




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 Re: anyone have a rototilling buisness with a lawn garden tractor in reply to drew, 02-11-2002 21:20:35  
I'm almost 15, and i'm starting out doing lawns and gardens and drives
I have:
5x10 tilt trailer, new this next saturday (when we get it)
1964 Bush Hog V3-6 garden tractor, much like a JD 110 but built alot heavier, weights 660 lbs empty. Same tranny as 110 with Vari Drive also. For this I have a 32" mower deck, 48" Vplow for snow i made it, 40" box blade on back, i made, cab, i made, 6 1/2" Brinly garden plow i made adjustable to 12" in about 1" increments. Brinly disc, 48" grader blade, i made, and a 10 cu. ft. wagon i made. This can do about anything, but for mowing i prefer my:
1989 Toro 8-32 Professional rear engine rider, 8hp B&S I/C key start i just put new rings in, 32" cutter deck and 9 bushel collector i made for it, does leaves great have not tried it on grass.
push mower
weed eater
And my parents have a 1992 Wheel Horse 520H (20hp Onan, hydrostatic) with a 48" mower and 36" tiller. The tiller does great but i'd rather it be 4' than 3' as it misses a couple inches of wheel tread, but this way they only had to make one tiller for all models... but i don't like the hydrostatic unit in this tractor, it may just be this tractor but at a slow speed it lets the tiller control most movement. It's not very solid motion if you know what i mean. It's full of the correct fluid. IMHO, a 8 speed Wheel Horse thrown in low range would be awesome..Anyhow i won't be using this much in business. It's got 85x hours already! Still going strong too... They also have an old Craftsman 16" 3.5hp Tecumseh rear tine tiller, works great. For my Bush Hog and attachments see my webpage: http://www.geocities.com/bushhogtractors or click link below. I will charge about $20 minimum (for 45 minutes or less) to plow/disc and $25 an hour after that. Example: 2 hours gets $50. 45 minutes or less gets $20. One hour gets $25.
Lawns and drives will have to have a custom price. Like someone might have a plain yard and another person might have a small orchard or something. I wouldn't even do an orchard unless it paid good. I have mowed one before for a friend with his JD 316 and 46" deck, not a great thing. A ZTR mower would do better but it still takes along time to trim. Maybe if the ZTR had a flex deck or string trimmer attachment on the deck. That would be better but a string trimmer on deck is at least $400 and a flex deck is more like $1,500. Anyway, do NOT take too little for your work. I may be alittle steep on my prices, but i'm in it for money not tractor time (that's just a bonus!) but don't undersell yourself and equipment, it will take a toll on the equipment.. Also i recommend raising tiller outta ground before doing any turning except a curve in landscapings. Lot less stress on tiller and tractor this way. sorry for rambling!!!!
Eric

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Randy Loose

02-28-2002 05:01:20




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 Re: Re: anyone have a rototilling buisness with a lawn garden tractor in reply to Eric, 02-16-2002 04:38:22  
Ive been rototilling,with my 1966-110 JD, for the last 7 years.It seems to do a good job.



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JD4000

02-13-2002 14:25:08




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 Re: anyone have a rototilling buisness with a lawn garden tractor in reply to drew, 02-11-2002 21:20:35  
yeah I have done that with a 317. make 10 hr for small gardens much as 10x15 or bigger. it's alot easy to till on dirt that HAS been tilled before. for new gardens never been tilled will need to be change more. be sure to change oil in engine before going out do hard work.



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chuck

02-13-2002 13:56:01




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 Re: anyone have a rototilling buisness with a lawn garden tractor in reply to drew, 02-11-2002 21:20:35  
In 1968 my Dad bought a 112JD.He started tilling for a few neighbors. After the word got out he was supper busy.After wearing out 2 tiller he bought a JD 650 with a five foot tiller and does around 100 gardens a year.He had to start turning people down because he can't get to them all.There is money to be made but it does cost to keep up the equipment.



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Poppin' Johnny

02-12-2002 18:42:41




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 Re: anyone have a rototilling buisness with a lawn garden tractor in reply to drew, 02-11-2002 21:20:35  
Gardens are fine and all, but get yourself a combine and go to farm to farm...

Ok, I agree, tilling is a good idea for some summer side cash. I small plow would also be a good idea.



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chris

02-12-2002 17:23:16




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 Re: anyone have a rototilling buisness with a lawn garden tractor in reply to drew, 02-11-2002 21:20:35  
I did a little business with a Troybilt tiller, started out when I was 15 had a garden of my own and my own money. Spent $1222 for the troy horse model with an 8 hp Kohler. The first year was slow, but then the old ladies starting talking, and in a town of 700 everybody knows in short time. Figured I had the tiller paid for within the third year and continued for ten years total. Ended up going 20+ miles from town for some people aleast with my luck they told me to return next year before I was done. In town I was charging $20/hr, $25 for new garden/clay ground or further away, sounds like alot but load/unload all day for jobs 10 minutes/$3-4 and all you do is pay for gas and nothing much for a cool one!! After 16 years of ownership, a set of tines, a couple seals I wouldn't sell it for any less than I paid for it. Remember your time is worth something and if you need some repairs doesn't feel so bad if you made enough tilling to cover your expenses. I have heard that a tractor with a hydrostat works really good so that you can slow way down to till. And once you get started give up your after work time, because you'll be tilling well into the dark during the spring and fall. enough said chris

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MrG

02-12-2002 15:51:32




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 Re: anyone have a rototilling buisness with a lawn garden tractor in reply to drew, 02-11-2002 21:20:35  
I know Mike likes Cub Cadets, but those turning brakes are really nice when tilling. Can't go around a corner with a tiller in the ground behind the 149, but the 317 will spin in it's tracks...well, almost!

Also... did a 50x50 garden for a guy last year...250 sq ft, went over it twice... 500 sqft tilled.. Took about 2-2.5 hours. He paid me $50 and was tickled pink. By that I gues you could say I charged him $.10/sq ft. Now that was ground that had ALREADY been tilled before, not raw sod. That's totally different story there...recommend a plow to turn it onc e first!

Gadget

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Jim S.

02-13-2002 10:18:00




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 Re: Re: anyone have a rototilling buisness with a lawn garden tractor in reply to MrG, 02-12-2002 15:51:32  
So find a Super Garden Tractor, if you want turning brakes. Or use the SGT parts and yer noggin and make dual brakes on the 149. That way you can keep riding the best and have the fancy frills, too. Heheheh.



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MrG

02-13-2002 15:42:28




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 Re: Re: Re: anyone have a rototilling buisness with a lawn garden tractor in reply to Jim S., 02-13-2002 10:18:00  
Now how is that I just KNEW it would be J.S. and/or D.Frisk that would come back with an IH solution to the issue? ;-) LOL



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Denny Frisk

02-14-2002 08:26:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: anyone have a rototilling buisness with a lawn garden tractor in reply to MrG, 02-13-2002 15:42:28  
Couple old Quad-City Boys with direct ties to IHC, What do You expect??? Just because Jim & I set around on Our lunch hours and read parts books.....Dad has a tiller on His 129... In fact, He put in on 7-8 yrs ago and has never taken it OFF! His 1000 sq ft garden works up like a sandbox! I remember the Neighbor with is 214 and Deere tiller doing My garden in the backyard of Our house in E. Moline, IL just so He could play... Hit a hard spot and the whole backend of the tractor raised off the ground and moved forward about 2-3 feet! My Buddy did it the following year... 317 & tiller. 2 passes at 90 Deg. to each other and the soil was totally tilled 6" deep. Most people I've seen till small patches only till one way anyhow and back up for the next pass. 'Course then there was the Landlord in Freeport, IL that used His 8440 and 13-shank Glencoe Soil-Saver to till the garden...How's the plans for the new shop coming along?

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MrG

02-14-2002 15:50:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: anyone have a rototilling buisness with a lawn garden tractor in reply to Denny Frisk, 02-14-2002 08:26:45  
Right after I started selling some of the items I had listed... the rear end went out on the Exploder ($1200). So I drove the GMC 4x4 to work a couple days. Tranny slipping. Got the Exploder out and now the GMC is in... 3qts low on fluid. Seals leaking fluid into the transfer case and out the front... :-( Gadget



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Denny Frisk

02-13-2002 13:02:14




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 Re: Re: Re: anyone have a rototilling buisness with a lawn garden tractor in reply to Jim S., 02-13-2002 10:18:00  
Seems like tilling around a corner would make for some very uneven ground....plus put a LOT of unnecessary stress on the hitch & tiller. The tractor wants to go striaght and your trying to force it to do something different! And As GADGET said, moldboard plow sod before tilling.. and I recommend plowing the fall before! The frost breaks up the clods even better than the tiller.



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Paul B

02-12-2002 03:58:22




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 Re: anyone have a rototilling buisness with a lawn garden tractor in reply to drew, 02-11-2002 21:20:35  
I have been thinking of doing the same with my Ingersoll 444. I alredy have a few frends, and nabors lined up, and I am hoping world of mouth spreds around in a few years. I am starting out doing it for just gas money, and maby a 6 pack, or 2, I just like the tractor time. I do want to grow to making a few bucks in the comming years though.

Paul B



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Max

02-13-2002 19:13:09




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 Re: Re: anyone have a rototilling buisness with a lawn garden tractor in reply to Paul B, 02-12-2002 03:58:22  
You'd better start charging $20 an hour with a 1 hour minimum, otherwise you'll wear out the tines and you'll lose interest real fast with your Ingersoll. i used to use my 446 to till gardens twenty years ago and charged the $20/hr with one hour minimum. Some folks complained until they saw how much could be done on those units in an hour. I won't give all the particulars but the 446 would till one of the above mentioned gardens in about 45 minutes making three passes to a depth of 6".

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Paul B

02-14-2002 03:28:53




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 Re: Re: Re: anyone have a rototilling buisness with a lawn garden tractor in reply to Max, 02-13-2002 19:13:09  
I have not used my tiller yet, it came with the tractor, but I can see how it would wip through a garden. That is tiller one big, beafey unit.

Paul B



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Max

02-14-2002 19:36:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: anyone have a rototilling buisness with a lawn garden tractor in reply to Paul B, 02-14-2002 03:28:53  
Have you thought about playing around with the tiller speed? The later model Case/Ingersol tillers with the tiller drive on the side can be changed by changing the sprockets. Mine is the older model with the center drive and runs around 350 which in my opinion does a very nice job. I've even had mine offset to one side so that I could do a flower garden next to the house. I thought that was kind of trick. Even tried playing around with the tiller tine placement but that kind of proved to be a waste for it ended up tearing up the hill, but with the side drive it may work out better, I was trying to avoid the 46" row spacing so that I could keep the weeds down.

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Paul B

02-15-2002 04:05:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: anyone have a rototilling buisness with a lawn garden tractor in reply to Max, 02-14-2002 19:36:12  
I also have the center drive tiller. I can't whate to play around with it this spring.

Paul B



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Mike

02-11-2002 21:38:53




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 Re: anyone have a rototilling buisness with a lawn garden tractor in reply to drew, 02-11-2002 21:20:35  
Get a cubcadet.Ha,never work for free for anybody,any way good luck.



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Glenn(WV)

02-12-2002 15:13:54




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 Re: Re: anyone have a rototilling buisness with a lawn garden tractor in reply to Mike, 02-11-2002 21:38:53  
Mike is right; don't work for free. When word gets out, people will start expecting it and when you try to charge for it, they'll get mad. BTDT!



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