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IMJMAC

12-18-2002 18:05:01




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I HAVE A JD 316 WITH THE ONAN TWIN CYLINDER ENGINE. WHEN I ENGAGE THE HYDROSTAT OR THE PTO THE ENGINE QUITS. I AM THINKING IT IS BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS REMOVED THE SAFTEY SWITCH FROM THE SEAT, IS THIS CORRECT? HOW DO I RECTIFY FOR NOW UNTIL I CAN GET THE WIRE HARNESS FOR THE SWITCH IF THIS IS THE PROBLEM? THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR HELP.




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teej

12-19-2002 14:31:34




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 Re: ENGINE DIES in reply to IMJMAC, 12-18-2002 18:05:01  
Your best bet is a problem at that seat switch. For now, make sure the 2 wires that are there are connected together.

I doubt its a PTO safety switch, as that wouldn't affect putting the hydro in gear.

Seat switch is the only one that affects both, pto and drive.

Ideally, you should probably replace the switch and wiring to original, but in an emergency, jumping the two wires together will get you going. Check and make sure the wires aren't broken under the rear fender deck or anything also, as a break anywhere will prevent the jumping at the plug from having any effect.

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Jim S.

12-20-2002 11:22:40




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 Re: Re: ENGINE DIES in reply to teej, 12-19-2002 14:31:34  
Teej, why with a faulty seat switch would it even start and run in the first place?



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Teej

12-20-2002 17:26:56




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 Re: Re: Re: ENGINE DIES in reply to Jim S., 12-20-2002 11:22:40  
On many tractors, (not all, that I know, but all JD machines), you don't have to be on the seat to start them. Parking brake must be on, PTO OFF, and in neutral. On most mowers, seat switch doesn't have to do with the cranking circuit. I have seen exceptions to this though, particularly on some MTD and off brand machines.
I work for JD dealer, and this models all the time. And I know for a fact you do not have to be on the seat to start them. Brake on, hydro lever in the neutral position, and PTO off. If you move it from neutral, and you aren't on the seat, tractor shuts down. If you engage PTO, and are not on seat, shuts down.

Basically, if the brake is on, and the PTO off, its considered safe to get off the machine. otherwise it would shut down everytime you got up. Must be in neutral also. If the brake isn't on, or the PTO is, the seat switch takes over and shuts the machine down.

I work on these things for a living, and run into similar problems all the time. Some seat switches on newer John Deere equipment can't be jumped also. Its wired different, and you must physically remove one of the wires from the plug, or cut one, instead of jump them together. (many customers calling after trying to jump them, with similar problems). If you look inside the plug on these, you see a small spring in there that contacts the 2 terminals when you unplug it. When its plugged in, the switch disconnects that spring, and the switch controls the connection of the two wires.

I think if you had a wiring diagram, you'd see that the ignition is wired through the seat, and parking brake and pto switches, and the cranking circuit only goes through the PTO and Brake switches.

This is the most common way I've seen machines wired. However, there are always variations and differences from manufacturer to manufacturer. John Deere though has done it this way with all of them, at least as far back as the 300 series.


I hope this explains it. I know its kind of long. Its much easier to show someone on a working tractor than explain it in words.

If not, I'll be glad to explain more if need be, or even send a copy of the wiring diagram for you to look at.

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Peter S. McLaren

08-21-2005 21:23:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: ENGINE DIES in reply to Teej, 12-20-2002 17:26:56  
Aloha from Hawaii, Seems you know your stuff so here goes. I have a JD 455 Deisol that has suddenly got a problem (Guess I have the problem) It starts OK but as soon as I take the brake off it shuts down. I gather from your post that this is some sort of safety switch problem ??/ If so could you elaberate on this topic and let me know were to find the culprit switch.

Thanks in advance, Peter



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Jim S.

12-19-2002 09:21:14




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 Re: ENGINE DIES in reply to IMJMAC, 12-18-2002 18:05:01  
Doubt it is the seat switch...I assume it is wired together with a jumper. You gotta PTO safety switch? Now THAT might be yer problem, there.



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