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Can you put a larger engine in a Bolens tractor

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KURT (Mi)

02-23-2003 14:40:25




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I have a 12Hp Bolens lawn tractor, I use it for pushing snow. Is it possible to put a larger motor in it, maybe a 16HP engine. The tractor has a gear driven transmission. Could I blow up the gear train if I put in a larger motor? GIve me you thoughts.




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RayP(MI)

02-24-2003 15:42:19




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 Re: Can you put a larger engine in a Bolens tractor in reply to KURT (Mi), 02-23-2003 14:40:25  
Well,,,, I put an 18hp Vangard VTwin in place of a 14hp Kohler in a Deere 140 - with hydrostatic transmission. Have driven the heck out of it for several years with no problems.



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Brad WIes

02-24-2003 12:38:17




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 Re: Can you put a larger engine in a Bolens tractor in reply to KURT (Mi), 02-23-2003 14:40:25  
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Kurt, if you do decide to put a bigger motor in, buy an larger version of the motor you have in there. So say your machine was made in 68 with a 12 HP briggs, buy a 16 HP briggs made the same year. The cast irons were more durable, you can't beat them, that's why these old machines still run now. I had a Simplicity 700 and that was only 8HP and it would bog to god knows where, if I did that on my new simplicity with 14HP kohler, she'd die in a second. Just a thought.

P.S. attached is a picture of my old "might might"

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KURT (mi)

02-24-2003 16:54:33




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 Re: Re: Can you put a larger engine in a Bolens tractor in reply to Brad WIes, 02-24-2003 12:38:17  
What models are those and what is a might might.



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Andy

02-23-2003 20:21:54




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 Re: Can you put a larger engine in a Bolens tractor in reply to KURT (Mi), 02-23-2003 14:40:25  
What model of engine in it now? Kohler, Briggs??
Horizontal or vertical shaft?



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Wally

03-08-2003 10:11:33




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 Re: Re: Can you put a larger engine in a Bolens tractor in reply to Andy, 02-23-2003 20:21:54  
KURT, you definately need more weight. I run 125 lbs. on each wheel plus my 200 ponds in the seat and have no problems. You could always have the tires filled with calcium chloride or even old anti-freeze (just be careful with animals if you get a leak. If you have 23-8.50x12 tires, they will weigh abouit 90 lbs. each loaded to top of rims. You could also make a bracket on the back and make suitcase style weights out of scrap steel blocks.

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KURT (mi)

02-24-2003 02:53:08




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 Re: Re: Can you put a larger engine in a Bolens tractor in reply to Andy, 02-23-2003 20:21:54  
It now has a 12hp horizontal engine, tecumseh I think. Runs good but would like to have more power and I will add 200lbs. of weight.



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Ron H.

02-24-2003 10:54:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Can you put a larger engine in a Bolens tractor in reply to KURT (mi), 02-24-2003 02:53:08  
Kurt,

If your 12 is running good, what could you possibly need any more power for? I was clearing snow with my Bolens Husky 600 with a 6 hp B&S and didn't find anything I couldn't move with a push or two (well, some of them needed 5 or 6). This is the smallest and lightest of the Bolens Tube Frame models and doesn't even have the posi-traction rear end.

If you have your weights and chains set up properly you can move a mountain with these things. I would add your weight first, before you go through the trouble of trying to swap in another motor. First is the expense of another good engine, second is the aggrivation of trying to get everything lined up and fitting under the hood.

I am guessing you have an HH120, and that is just a BEAR of a motor - you will be sorely dissapointed if you put a modern 16-18-20hp engine in its place. These new motors may have higher hp, but cannot compare with the torque produced by the older cast iron single cylinder engines made by all the big producers (Kohler, Wisconsin, Tecumseh, and even Briggs & Stratton). Torque is what will get the work done.

If you are bound and determined that a motor swap is what you are after, give me some more details about the exact model tractor you have and I can look through my information and tell you the what will work. If you have a 1220 or G-12 it is a Tube Frame and the largest engine that bolens put into this series with the gear drive was a 15hp Tecumseh overhead valve engine. This conversion will require a new hood as the OHV models had a bump out so the engine would fit.

I also live in MI and would can help you get your tractor set up if you would like, where abouts do you live? Let me know some more details and I will do what I can to get you where you want to be.

Ron H.

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KURT (Mi)

02-24-2003 11:11:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Can you put a larger engine in a Bolens tractor in reply to Ron H., 02-24-2003 10:54:18  
I have the G-12, I do need more weight, I was pushing 18" deep snow on Sunday. I need to make a rear mounted setup to hold about 150lbs. of steel. I would think that if you had a larger hp engine you would get more torque. Because of the formula, Tq = HP x 5,252/ Output shaft RPM.



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Ron H.

02-24-2003 13:32:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Can you put a larger engine in a Bolens tractor in reply to KURT (Mi), 02-24-2003 11:11:17  
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Kurt,
I'll admit 18 inches is a lot of snow, but usually you will spin the tires or slide sideways before you will stall the engine. The real issue is traction not only for your drive wheels, but also for the front tires.

I have attached a picture (hope it works) showing my setup from last year. Look at the weight box on the back. I purchased it from JohhnyProducts (http://www.johnnyproducts.com/) and it is just the ticket. You can also see the front wheel weights - they really help keep the front wheels from sliding sideways (you can also buy chains for the fronts if needed).

With this tractor (8 hp engine) I was able to push wet slushy snow well over the top of the blade and move it up a snow bank to pile it. The trick is to find the right gear so that you have pretty good forward speed. I think I was using HI range and 2nd gear most of the time. You want the blade angled all the way to one side and be moving fast enough to have it over come the 'stiction' to slide off to the side (apply a little paste wax if you want). If you keep the blade straight you will run out of traction much quicker.

Now about your comment about torque being directly proportional to rpm. I can't argue with the math, but the torque peak hits at a different rpm range than the hp peak. Maybe somebody will jump in and give the technical details, but the real issue is what happens when you put a load on the engine. Will the governor be able to react and keep the engine in it's power band or will it try and die out so you have to push in the clutch to keep it running. These old single cylinder engines have a long stroke and can recover very well from having a sudden load applied. The newer engines with the higher hp ratings are fine with a steady load such as a mower would apply, but as soon as you start apply a variable load the rpm drops off rapidly and they fall right out of their power band.

The real issue is: Are you stalling the engine? If not more HP will not help you one bit. If you are spinning the tires then increasing traction via weight and chains is the only solution. If you find you are stalling out an HH120, you are probably taking too big of a bite at once and you might try a different technique. That engine on that tractor should do you just fine.

Sorry to sound so preachy, I really only want to provide good sound advice so that you get the most bang for your buck.

Drop me a line anytime,
Ron H.

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KURT (mi)

02-24-2003 16:52:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Can you put a larger engine in a Bolens tractor in reply to Ron H., 02-24-2003 13:32:51  
Yes I agree with you, the engine is not stalling, I really need more weight, I only weigh 160lbs. myself. and I could really use 150 lbs. of extra weight. I was just outside 30 minutes ago pushing the knee deep piles into the woods. and the engine was not bogging down, it has the belt drive trans, gear. But the tires were spinning when it wouldnt push anymore, I do have chains on the tires. I also agree with you that high range 2nd gear is the best, plenty of momentum to push the snow to the side. Thanks for the advice.

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Bob

02-24-2003 19:49:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Can you put a larger engine in a Bolens tractor in reply to KURT (mi), 02-24-2003 16:52:12  
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She aint pretty but that 16hp twin sure out runs the old 8hp it came stock with. Used the existing mounting holes which let the motor sit somewhat cattywampus, but it's been a runner season after season.



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