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Best, Most Durable, Most Collectible Garden Tracto

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Steve

11-05-2003 19:32:44




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As the title suggests. What is the best, most durable and most collectible garden tractors made? I would also like to add the best engineered and manufactured tractor to the list also. Is it possible that one garden tractor fits all of these requirements?




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wwminc

12-14-2003 15:58:35




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 Re: Best, Most Durable, Most Collectible Garden Tr in reply to Steve, 11-05-2003 19:32:44  
Gravely, by far over any lawn and garden tractor.
Where can you find a line of tractors that from 1964 thru current production all attachments fit?? Nobody else has that. Who had the only true all gear drive with NO belts to the deck? When I was a dealer I welcomed any and all takers on a side by side mowing test at the customers home. Brought very few back to the shop.



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t2p

11-07-2003 12:41:49




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 Re: Best, Most Durable, Most Collectible Garden Tr in reply to Steve, 11-05-2003 19:32:44  
No such thing as 'best' ....

but I am a fan of early IH Cub Cadets and Wheel Horse tractors built in the early/mid sixties ... also Deere ...

as for best engineered ....if you actually desire to use and cut grass with an old collectible tractor, Wheel Horse must be near or at the top of the list ... cast iron rear end/transaxle, cast iron front axle, angle iron frame - all still in service today. And no other tractor comes close in the mower deck attachment and mower drive belt 'arrangement'.

I feel the early Wheel Horse tractors - with a cast iron Kohler engine - must be considered one of the best engineered items - of any type. This is an example of American design and engineering at it's peak.

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perry

12-25-2003 04:41:31




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 Re: Re: Best, Most Durable, Most Collectible Garde in reply to t2p, 11-07-2003 12:41:49  
WHEEL HORSE, OF COURSE



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t2p

11-07-2003 13:03:10




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 Re: Re: Best, Most Durable, Most Collectible Garde in reply to t2p, 11-07-2003 12:41:49  
... more ...
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Almost fogot to mention the Wheel Horse snowplow and snowplow frame/attachment .... superior design and performance ..... most everthing else in comparision performs like a toy.

The Wheelhorse snowplow mounts to a full length frame that attaches (without tools) to the rear end. Angle can be adjusted on the fly - without dismounting. This may be the only decent garden tractor snowplow setup available.

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KURT

11-07-2003 02:37:24




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 Re: Best, Most Durable, Most Collectible Garden Tr in reply to Steve, 11-05-2003 19:32:44  
First, Simplicity Second, Cub Cadet Third, Bolens Fourth, WHeelhorse. in my opinion.



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Lou

11-06-2003 20:57:58




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 Re: Best, Most Durable, Most Collectible Garden Tr in reply to Steve, 11-05-2003 19:32:44  
You'll get more satisfaction with a Speedex. Date clear back to the 40's. Simple, rugged, easy to repair, collectable but not expensive, a real small tractor, not a lawn mower. Some parts still available new.



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Stan TN

11-06-2003 19:30:19




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 Re: Best, Most Durable, Most Collectible Garden Tr in reply to Steve, 11-05-2003 19:32:44  
I'm a real fan of the Power King, Economy, Jim Dandy, clan. But my lawn mower is a Wheel Horse. Them orange tractors cost about 10 times as much as mine.



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William Pearson

11-06-2003 16:24:37




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 Re: Best, Most Durable, Most Collectible Garden Tr in reply to Steve, 11-05-2003 19:32:44  
Well from the engineering and durabillity stand point you have to look at the Wheel Horses , in 1961 Wheel Horse used the two piece cast iron Unidrive transmission , cast iron front axle , angle steel frame and Kohler engine ..... 42 years later you can still buy new this same set up . As for the most collected ..... . I donno I have about thirty Wheel Horses , every thing from a 1957 RJ-35 to a 1971 GT-14 with front end loader . Now ifn's ya' want to see a lot of Wheel Horse tractors in one place come to the 6th Annual Wheel Horse show next June .
Bill bleeds RED in Richmond , Va.

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Jeremy C.

11-20-2003 23:04:51




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 Re: Re: Best, Most Durable, Most Collectible Garde in reply to William Pearson , 11-06-2003 16:24:37  
The IH made Cub Cadets of that era had the same features you list, plus they featured an automotive style clutch (as opposed to belt driven)and driveshaft. The first model Cub Cadet had a belt that run from the engine to the driveshaft, but the later ones didn't have a belt. :-)

AND... the transaxles used in the Cub Cadet were the same as used in the Farmall cub! I'd have to say that it has to be the toughest of the garden tractors of the 60's and 70's.

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John Holcomb

11-06-2003 13:45:40




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 Re: Best, Most Durable, Most Collectible Garden Tr in reply to Steve, 11-05-2003 19:32:44  
At the tractor shows the Deere, Wheel Horse, and Simplicity/Allis tractors seem to be the majority.For sure the most expensive are the Olivers. I think if you could conduct a poll there would me more old Simplicity/Allis's still in use than any of the others. they are very tuff tractors and they made alot of them. In the stock pulling classes the older sears do very well [Ropers I think] as do the Simplicity's in the heavier classes and the wheel horse's are tuff in the lighter classes.

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muskrat

12-03-2003 16:15:43




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 Re: Re: Best, Most Durable, Most Collectible Garde in reply to John Holcomb, 11-06-2003 13:45:40  
Speedex is a good tracto. I owned one it was s24 briggs motor with mostly all the attachments. Plowed snow with it and it stoped moving when it got over the hood. Cub cadet, Wheel horse, and Bolens in there two.



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Kent

11-06-2003 04:20:04




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 Re: Best, Most Durable, Most Collectible Garden Tr in reply to Steve, 11-05-2003 19:32:44  
IMO, no one tractor fits all the descriptions you mention. IMO, the "most collectible" old garden tractors are, in order:

1. Oliver
2. Minneaplis-Moline
3. Pennsylvania Panzer

New parts for any of the three are no longer available. The first two were made by Jacobsen, which has discontinued garden tractors. Panzer changed ownership about three times then disappeared.

If you want to use the tractor in addition to "collect and show it", then some of the best IMO are, in no particular order:

1. John Deere 300 series (317, 318, etc.)
2. Wheelhorse Classic 300 series (312 through 316?), especially the now-discontinued hydro models
3. Allis-Chalmers B-series, especially the 112H and 212H hydro models, and those with hydraulic lift

Many/most parts for these are still readily available new, used or aftermarket replacement. They're proven designs with many different attachments for them. Used attachments are pretty easy to find.

One of the last three mentioned could give you a very low "cost of ownership." They'll hold their resale value or appreciate in value, while you use them -- and you can use them hard -- if you'll keep them maintained....

You can likely find "better deals" on either the Allis-Chalmers or WheelHorse tractors, because green paint carries a premium price used, because of the name.

My two cents....

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Steve

11-06-2003 18:04:04




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 Re: Re: Best, Most Durable, Most Collectible Garde in reply to Kent, 11-06-2003 04:20:04  
I really like the Case 444/446/448 tractors for their large rear tires and overall looks. How do they stack up to the other tractors mentioned in this thread?



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don cassese

11-07-2003 17:22:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Best, Most Durable, Most Collectible G in reply to Steve, 11-06-2003 18:04:04  
Had a jd 111, got a case 220 fo free with deck, snow caster, and 1/2 yrd yard cart; the jd was the bees wax, the case cuts better, handles so-so, does run away down hill, VERY expensive to work on( wasn't really free if you count parts), but I am hooked on the case/ingersoll line. I would like to get a 446. Do you know of one for sale?



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Steve

11-07-2003 18:09:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Best, Most Durable, Most Collectib in reply to don cassese, 11-07-2003 17:22:07  
They (Case 444/6/8) are frequently on eBay but unfortunately for me, they are also on the opposite side of the country. The shipping would probably be cost prohibitive.



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Bob

11-07-2003 09:24:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Best, Most Durable, Most Collectible G in reply to Steve, 11-06-2003 18:04:04  
I'm a Case fan, although I suspect they are probably one of the highest priced to get parts for, from my experience anyway. I have a 446 and a 448, and either of them would pull the bunghole out of an elephant.



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Kent

11-06-2003 21:19:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Best, Most Durable, Most Collectible G in reply to Steve, 11-06-2003 18:04:04  
There are only two "negatives" I could say about those big, tough tractors:

1. Parts and those hydraulic-driven attachments are expensive and can be pretty hard to find

2. The hydraulic drive has been know to "run-awy" going down hills... even now, if the valves they installed to address this problem should ever fail



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slideways

11-06-2003 08:44:33




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 Re: Re: Best, Most Durable, Most Collectible Garde in reply to Kent, 11-06-2003 04:20:04  
I have become very fond of Bolens over the past few years. They arent exactly rare but they fit the other categories. They arent expensive either. Any attachment was made for them, guys would use these garden tractors as farm tractors. I would put a 60's or early 70's Bolens up against any tractor out there in just raw toughness.
I have a couple Wheelhorses i am looking to get rid of because i dont like them. I just dont get a good feeling from Wheelhorses (not worth the effort IMO)

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Kent

11-06-2003 12:55:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Best, Most Durable, Most Collectible G in reply to slideways, 11-06-2003 08:44:33  
I agree that the old Bolens are very good tractors, especially the larger ones. The reasons I didn't include them on the list were because of the limited availability of parts and support.

Similarly, some of the old Cub Cadets were very good tractors (though I was never impressed with the reliability during the "red years"). But, somehow they don't seem to provide the same "bang for the buck" of those that I listed.

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