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Anyone ever built a gas tank?

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KenF

12-16-2003 08:38:09




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My Ford T140 gas tank is severely rusted inside. Previous owners have "gooped" it but there are still more holes and rust rattling around inside.

It's 11"W x 6"D x 8"H. Pretty much rectangular. Replacement part no longer available. Freight across the border would probably add $50.

I could buy some special, gas resistant polyester resin ($70) and form a new one out of fibreglass. I have a welder but no bottle for Stainless Steel - $120.

Anyone ever built one? Do you need to use Stainless Steel? Any other ideas?

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Reggie Walters

12-22-2003 12:44:12




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 Re: Anyone ever built a gas tank? in reply to KenF, 12-16-2003 08:38:09  
If you want to seal the inside use the stuff from POR 15. It is the best out there. I used it on a 42 ford and now will be using it on a Sears SS16 because I could not find a tank to fit. The fiberglass trick someone mentioned sounds like a good idea too.



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KenF

12-16-2003 22:21:36




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 Re: Anyone ever built a gas tank? in reply to KenF, 12-16-2003 08:38:09  
Wow! Thanks everyone, awesome response.

Tracy, love the fiberglass idea. Story I got from my industrial resins supplier is that gas WILL cut fiberglass, especially stale gas. (a consideration for a garden tractor). Should I believe him? And will it break down in my lifetime? I would like the glass to be reinforced - a body filler might work better. I'm thinking about this idea - have you ever tried it?

I'm leaning towards s/s. I need the welding practice! The original has "dished" ends and is seam-welded. would you just "butt" the corners together at right angles, tack and weld? Or is there some other folding trick that makes it easier to weld?

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Dave

12-17-2003 12:27:51




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 Re: Re: Anyone ever built a gas tank? in reply to KenF, 12-16-2003 22:21:36  
Ken,

Just butt and weld, but try to half your corners so there is a shelf to lay weld in. Or leave about 1/16 of an inch overlap for the weld to lay on also. Good luck with the ss, I have used regular flat stock and had the tank still lasting.

What ever you do, just do it right:^)

Good luck
Dave



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Tracy B

12-16-2003 18:52:06




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 Re: Anyone ever built a gas tank? in reply to KenF, 12-16-2003 08:38:09  
Take the tank off and strap it to the wheel of another lawn tractor or farm tractor. Put a few handfulls of crushed slag inside the tank, jack the wheels up, and put the tractor in gear to let it roll the tank with the slag in it for several minutes. Repeat this a few times changing the position of the tank on the wheel. This will clean it to shiny metal on the inside. Wash it out and let it dry good. Put a dummy plug in the outlet to protect the threads. Get a quart can of fiberglass (with hardener) from Wal-Mart and pour it in. Turn the tank to allow the liquid to cover all inside surfaces. Let cure for a couple of days. You have just built a new fiberglass tank inside your old one for very little $$$. Gas will not cut fiberglass. Plus for all you hair spliting restorers, this repair appears bone stock and shows no modifications...

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Jim

12-16-2003 16:52:01




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 Re: Anyone ever built a gas tank? in reply to KenF, 12-16-2003 08:38:09  
I have found aluminum to remain ductile and favorable for various projects, even after welding. Perhaps the correct alloys have not been used, meaning filler rod. Cleanliness is the word for aluminum welding. I built a large fuel tank for a Case combine and never had any problems. Aluminum fittings to weld on, may be a problem though. I'm sure they are available, as I found them some years ago. Still, forming one from mild steel and welding will be easier and will last as long as you or me. Go for it and you will gain alot of satisfaction from having made it yourself.

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D.L.

12-16-2003 14:09:28




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 Re: Anyone ever built a gas tank? in reply to KenF, 12-16-2003 08:38:09  
When aluminum is welded, heat affected zones become brittle and will crack... especially when subjected to vibration! Mild steel might not rust through in your lifetime, but globs of rust & gunk floating around will contaminate your gas and cause you untold headaches (can you tell I've experienced this with the tank in my portable welder?) The coatings for the inside of tanks have been used with various levels of success. If you want a permanent fix... build it out of stainless & weld with the appropriate gas & wire!!!

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FRANK HUTCHISON

12-16-2003 12:26:23




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 Re: Anyone ever built a gas tank? in reply to KenF, 12-16-2003 08:38:09  

SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD BE SIMPLE TO BUILD. TAKE THE TANK TO YOUR LOCAL SHEET METAL SHOP. THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO "BEND" YOU ONE. SEEING AS HOW THE ORGINAL TANK WAS PROBABLY VERY THIN TO START WITH, THEY CAN USE AROUND A 16 GAGE METAL WHICH WILL LAST A LONG , LONG TIME. SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING WILL BE ABLE TO FABRICATE THE TANK SO THAT THERE WILL BE A MINIMUM OF WELDS.SHOULDN,T COST OVER FIFTY BUCKS.

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Mac

12-16-2003 11:41:51




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 Re: Anyone ever built a gas tank? in reply to KenF, 12-16-2003 08:38:09  
Think I would nix on the alum. Stainless is good. If you fabricate from steel however, I would get some of that coating the bike guys use and coat the inside of it.



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Steve Crum

12-16-2003 11:13:01




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 Re: Anyone ever built a gas tank? in reply to KenF, 12-16-2003 08:38:09  
I've built a few out of s/s, not difficult and easy to keep clean. 16 gage is heavy enough for tanks under 10 gallons



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Dave

12-16-2003 09:35:55




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 Re: Anyone ever built a gas tank? in reply to KenF, 12-16-2003 08:38:09  
Ken,

Go buy a 4x4 piece of mild steel flat stock(.125 thou or .0625thou 1/8 or 1/16should be thick enough). Fabricate your tank out of this, not only will it be easier to weld, but I bet my case tractor that it will not rust through in yours or my lifetime. You can even go as far as welding in a steel pipe nipple(from any hydraulics company) to form the fill hole and then weld in a steel fitting for your petcock. Then when done prime and paint the outside of the tank.

you can even cut the pieces out individually and weld them that way instead of cutting and bending.(may be easier to drill the fill hole that way)
When you finish your tank will resemble a hydraulic resivoir.

Will be awsome,

Dave

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KenF

12-16-2003 08:50:46




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 Re: Anyone ever built a gas tank? in reply to KenF, 12-16-2003 08:38:09  
Oops! There's the first idea - make it out of Aluminium! Joints will be none corrosive and will use the tank for other things.



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Rick

12-16-2003 08:49:31




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 Re: Anyone ever built a gas tank? in reply to KenF, 12-16-2003 08:38:09  
Dad and I built one for a home made tractor out of stainless. Had to redo some welds a couple of times to get it sealed but it's been great. It's 30+ years old now.



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