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rusted bolts on NH 68 knife

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55 50

11-13-2005 20:11:03




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Looking for a method to remove the 3 rusted bolts holding the plunger knife. This one has been setting for about 10 years and they ARE TIGHT! I've tried rust-freeing solvents and mild heat. Maybe it will be quickest to drill through with a smaller drill, then somehow collapse them with chisel and/or punch.




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rettchr

11-15-2005 15:41:21




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 Re: rusted bolts on NH 68 knife in reply to 55 50, 11-13-2005 20:11:03  
My father bought a NH 68 in the mid 1950's. It was a good, small baler. After we'd had it a few years, I --being young and wise at the time-- felt we should geet knife sharpened. Dad said "Go ahead." I tried without success and finally towed it in to the dealer. They also struggled and finally got it out with the use of a torch.
My point is, your bolts appear to have been in there a lot longer. If and when you do get them out, you'll still have a baler that is about 50 years old. Watch out for diminishing returns on your time & money.

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55 50

11-15-2005 21:31:09




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 Re: rusted bolts on NH 68 knife in reply to rettchr, 11-15-2005 15:41:21  
Oh yes, there will be diminishing returns because I"m doing this as mostly a "hobby" project in retirement. If I was a bonafide farmer or rancher, I would have bought a much newer machine in the first place. But I like a mechanical challenge and it makes a nice match for my JD 50 tractor.



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Tx Jim

11-15-2005 04:06:10




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 Re: pull plunger in reply to 55 50, 11-13-2005 20:11:03  
55 50,I have never pulled plungerhead on a NH but have pulled several Deere's. It only takes a few minutes and it's out where you have much easier access to work on it. Plus you can check rollers and slides. Just my 2 pesos,Tx Jim



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55 50

11-14-2005 15:32:03




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 Re: rusted bolts on NH 68 knife in reply to 55 50, 11-13-2005 20:11:03  
Thanks for everyone"s input. Some very good ideas. I don"t have a welder so I won"t be able to try that one. I can see the inner end of the threads and they are really rusted badly. The inner end is in such a tight place that I can"t get at them to cut but I can spray penetrant on them. So far I haven"t resorted to taking the plunger out of the machine and hopefully I won"t have to.



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Kelly C

11-16-2005 05:19:06




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 Re: rusted bolts on NH 68 knife in reply to 55 50, 11-14-2005 15:32:03  
Yes you will!!! Your just not going to be able to get the kind of leverage you need to bust em loose. Bent over trying to get a wrench inside the pick up.



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Michael Soldan

11-14-2005 14:02:37




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 Re: rusted bolts on NH 68 knife in reply to 55 50, 11-13-2005 20:11:03  
Well, I'm with Petetx and JD930 on this one..heat red hot, douse with cold water and you will likely turn them out as easily as new ones. We used the hot wrench where I worked and I've seen siezed bolts come off with your fingers after that treatment...Mike in Exeter Ontario



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John Garner

11-14-2005 12:11:31




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 A couple of thoughts in reply to 55 50, 11-13-2005 20:11:03  
55 50 --

If the hex recesses in the screwheads are still hexagonal and if the tapped holes are in a beefy piece, a hit-it-with-a-hammer "hand impact wrench" could work magic. Otherwise, I'll suggest that you drill off the heads of the screws, using a drill that's the same size as the Major Diameter of the thread.

Once the heads are gone, remove the knife before hitting the screw shanks with a dose of penetrating oil and a dose of hammer-tapping if the screw shanks aren't already loose in their holes. The flanks of the threads on the screws have been pulled right up to the flanks of the threads in the tapped holes on the to-knife side, leaving all the clearance on the away-from-knife side. With a tiny bit of good luck, the penetrant will flow through the clearance, and tapping will break the flank-to-flank adhesion so that the stubs can be unwound easily.

If your luck is not-so-good and the screw stubs won't come out, make yourself a simple drill guide and drill them out using a drill that's appropriate for tapping that particular thread size. You want to remove all of the "core", leaving only the male thread as a helix of material wound into the internal threads. Then pick that helix out with a scriber if you can, otherwise cut it out with a tap.

John

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petetx

11-14-2005 11:39:25




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 Re: rusted bolts on NH 68 knife in reply to 55 50, 11-13-2005 20:11:03  
old machinist trick heat red hot pour ice water on them quick then soak with a good penetrant they will usually come right out.



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lpgasonly

11-14-2005 11:23:14




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 Re: rusted bolts on NH 68 knife in reply to 55 50, 11-13-2005 20:11:03  
Take a nut the size of the head and lay it on top of the screw. Weld inside the nut to the screw as hot as you can. Let cool off COLD!! I mean COLD, like after you drink 2 or three. Put a wrench on the nut and turn it out. When it cools, it will shrink the screw and turn right out. Good luck! LP



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old

11-13-2005 20:55:56




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 Re: rusted bolts on NH 68 knife in reply to 55 50, 11-13-2005 20:11:03  
Are they bolts with nuts?? If so just cut the nut off and pop them loose with a hammer.



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55 50

11-14-2005 08:58:54




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 Re: rusted bolts on NH 68 knife in reply to old, 11-13-2005 20:55:56  
Wish it was that easy. They are flat head countersunk into the knife and screwed into tapped holes in the side of the plunger. They have allen screw insets into their heads for turning them in or out. That would work OK if they weren"t rusted tight. At least that is what it looks like to me by looking at the actual unit and then the "breakdown" in the parts book.



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Kelly C

11-16-2005 05:11:36




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 Re: rusted bolts on NH 68 knife in reply to 55 50, 11-14-2005 08:58:54  
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Yes that is what they are. Changed my knife last year. Broke off 3 allen bits trying to get them loose.
Took it to the welder and he heated them up red hot, Then they came out.

Thats the fun of working on this old rusted stuff. Nothing comes off like it should.

You might as well change the 2 bushings on the plunger arm wile you have it out $30 for the pair. Air hammer pushing on a socket that fits inside the hole in the arm but bigger than the bushing pushes them out fine.

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DJ930

11-14-2005 09:36:31




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 Re: rusted bolts on NH 68 knife in reply to 55 50, 11-14-2005 08:58:54  
We have this problem at work I have heated the head read hot and let it cool down then they will come out



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bfloyd

11-14-2005 09:17:33




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 Re: rusted bolts on NH 68 knife in reply to 55 50, 11-14-2005 08:58:54  
Drill them out. Use a smaller bit in the center then try an easy out or what I would do use a chisel to cut the end off or make a raise so you can grap it with channel locks and twist them out.
Good luck



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