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Allan in NE

12-17-2005 04:53:56

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Hi Guys,

I can see a bit of a problem brewing around this place.

I'd rather take a beatin' than use a front-end mounted loader, but due to my time constrants, I'm going to need a quick-attach type that I can "drive into" and hook up/detach in a hurry.

Something that is tough and can handle big round bales with a grapple. My dealer suggests finding an old 3100 DuAl. Tractor is a IH Hydro 70.

Any other recommendations?

Thanks,

Allan

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RickL

12-18-2005 12:32:43

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Re: Loader Advice Please? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-17-2005 04:53:56

one word Westendorfs, they are the easiest on and off

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kyhayman

12-18-2005 08:39:35

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Re: Loader Advice Please? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-17-2005 04:53:56

I've got a Memo brand loader on a 7710 and a Bush Hog brand on a 7610 (both Fords). The Memo is a lighter loader but easier to take on and off, and works a lot better than the BH. With that said, heres an idea. Get a skid loader. My 1845C Case with a hay spear and tracks makes moving round bales a joy in any kind of weather. I leave the loaders off the other Fords during the summer, just too good and easy having the skid steer. Plus, lets you get some moe equip :-).

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R. John Johnson

12-17-2005 18:15:35

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Re: Loader Advice Please? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-17-2005 04:53:56

Allan

If what you need is something to haul bales from the field, what about an old chain type stack mover? They can be found up here for under $2000 CDN. You can hook it to one tractor and load with another. you can load up 11 bales, two rows of 4 on the bottom, 3 on top. Haul it home and unload it in seconds. From what I gather bale pickers like I posted pictures of last month are not common down your way. I had to pay $4500 CDN for that and it makes hauling bales a breeze. It's great to be able to leave a loader on, especially if it's not a quick attach.

Just thinking out loud.

John

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Jerry/MT

12-17-2005 16:40:13

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Re: Loader Advice Please? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-17-2005 04:53:56

I have an EZee-On (www.ezeeon.com)loader on my tractor and am quite happy with it. It's really easy to take off and put on. I'm sorry I didn't buy the quick attach for it 'cuz it makes it really ez to swap attachments.

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Cliff Neubauer

12-17-2005 09:53:03

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Re: Loader Advice Please? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-17-2005 04:53:56

I spent two years looking for a good used quick attach loader to put on our 1066 and came to the conclusion that we would be better off just to buy a new loader. I watched a junk IH 2350 loader (needed a new bucket and all the cylinders were rusty) sell for $1,900 and an average 2350 or WL-42 Westendorf will bring $3,000-$3,500. I think you could get a new Allied 795 with a bucket for under $6,000 and if you take care of it it will last forever and hold it's value pretty well.

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billyiron

12-17-2005 07:43:02

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Re: Loader Advice Please? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-17-2005 04:53:56

wait a minute,,me got lost here,wheres the H and F-11,,and more so,looks like you may need just another hydro 70,leaving the other one with the loader on, if you got no more H and F-11,strong case for more tractors,my wife hates it when Im so logical,,,we did have a 3100 on a 856 once, real tuff loader,,,,billy

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Allan in NE

12-17-2005 10:03:58

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Re: Loader Advice Please? in reply to billyiron, 12-17-2005 07:43:02

Hi Billy,

Aw, my plans are pretty goofy anyhoo. :>)

I'm trying to keep from buying a darned stackmover.

The one hayfield is 'bout a mile and a half away from the stackyards and I just cannot stand to leave bales out in the field.

So, my idea was to use this flatbed trailer and two loaders; one out in the hayfield with the 3-point mover to gather 'em up and then one in at the yard to stack with.

Dunno, probably end up changing my mind three or four times in the next year anyway. :>)

Allan

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evielboweviel

12-17-2005 07:39:32

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Re: Loader Advice Please? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-17-2005 04:53:56

I thought the plan was to buy enough tractors so as not to have to unhitch or take anything off.
Did the horse buying blow that plan??
Ron

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Vt. Sid

12-17-2005 07:33:05

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Re: Loader Advice Please? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-17-2005 04:53:56

I think you can buy,or build, a quick-tach feature for these older loaders.(Woods mfg.?) It would allow you to change from bucket, to bale spike, to grabble,pallet forks, etc. Sid

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12-17-2005 06:49:21

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i will add -- in reply to Allan in NE, 12-17-2005 04:53:56

try to find one "new" enough that it also has the quick attach bucket. that way if you want to leave the loader frame on while you do something else you can just drop the bucket. also with the quick attach you might consider a front "fork" instead of the grapple to handle hay. i have a woods for my cx90 and love it. takes about 5 minutes to put on or take off. and can drop/change the bucket in less than a minute.

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12-17-2005 08:57:53

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Re: i will add -- in reply to wh, 12-17-2005 06:49:21

look around, you know the luck of finding just what you want ---- just after you buy one you can live with , the very match of what you were looking for will show up -- generally closer, better shape an dcheaper than the one went with. its winter, look around - you might find a good late model (10-15 years old with the quick attach features) fairly easy.

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Allan in NE

12-17-2005 07:03:45

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Re: i will add -- in reply to wh, 12-17-2005 06:49:21

Yes Sir,

Really thinking hard about a brand new loader.

But, the darned things are twice again as much as I paid fer the silly tractor with a mounted 320 DuaAl, tho. :>(

I just know I'm not going to have the time to spend an hour and a half yanking this thing off or puttin' it back on next summer.

Allan

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RickL

12-19-2005 08:25:18

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Re: i will add -- in reply to Allan in NE, 12-17-2005 07:03:45

Did it for years made my own stand legs and just left frame on and pulled two main arm pins and loader cylinder pins and backed out,no big deal. Seems like some of this stuff you guys get to making mountains out of molehills.You want another hydro tractor, I know where one sitting in shed with loader and it has never set outside day in its life, I looks like new unit.

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Vt. Sid

12-17-2005 05:25:37

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Re: Loader Advice Please? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-17-2005 04:53:56

2250-2350 IH loader. It was made for that tractor. No stands to put down just need longer hyd. hoses, pull two pins and back away and at the same time use your hydraulics to lower the frame to the ground. The nice thing about these loaders is the only thing left on the tractor is 3 mounts. 2 small mounts near the front and another around the belly. It would also fit your 966(?) just hafta buy another set of mounts. Sid

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John A.

12-17-2005 06:12:53

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Re: Loader Advice Please? in reply to Vt. Sid, 12-17-2005 05:25:37

Allan, Morning! Hope all is well on the Neb plain.
Anyway... I must agree with Vt Sid, Pull up the pic of my ol girl. You will see a 2350 hung on mine. I can tell you it is tough enough to take what you dish out and never give it a second thought. On the times when finesse is needed it will go head and shoulders beyond. You can get in and out of one in less than 5 min. Most of that time is getting your hoses loose so you can back out of it.
This said I rarely pull mine, For when I have i needed it 10 minutes later.
Hope this helps. Ya'll have a Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year.
Later,
John A.

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Allan in NE

12-17-2005 06:23:28

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Re: Loader Advice Please? in reply to John A., 12-17-2005 06:12:53

Thanks, You Guys.

Looks like the ticket, but, whadda do for a grapple? Absolutely essential out here for this and that.

Allan

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Quebec Red

12-17-2005 10:30:39

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Re: Loader Advice Please? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-17-2005 06:23:28

If you get a 2250 or 2350 (really too big-too much weight forward) or any mid mount model be sure to construct a subframe to the rear axle. We put a 2250 on a H70. That first winter pushing snow the front tires flattened when pushing. The tractor was trying to split. We immediately made a bolted subframe of 1x6 plate. After when pushing, the tractor would ride up into the loader frame, all weight transferred to the rear wheels, and watch it push!!! With a Hiniker cab 80 blower on the 3PH and a set of cross chains and an 8 foot bucket, it would outwork in snow a 5220 Maxxum MFD with an 8 foot bucket, no chains and 18x38 loaded tires and rear wheel weights. Also the loader subframe made a great place to install an 8D battery to spin that 312. But you know that..... .. look at the F-H truss set-up. QR

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Harley

12-17-2005 17:58:32

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Re: Loader Advice Please? in reply to Quebec Red, 12-17-2005 10:30:39

Hey buddy, maybe I'm missing something here, but don't you have the H with the farmand loader and grapple, and now the 70 with the other loader and grapple? One on each end, that's enough loaders for even you big guy. ????? ????? Harley

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Allan in NE

12-18-2005 06:57:15

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Re: Loader Advice Please? in reply to Harley, 12-17-2005 17:58:32

Mornin',

Just thinkin' out loud. Would like something that is fast on and fast off.

I really like the way this hydro works and I'd kinda like to put it on the swather next summer thereby savin' me the trouble of wrestlin' those darned duals on and off of the 686.

One of my "oddities" is that I cannot stand to leave bales in the field; it just drives me nuts 'til they are put away.

Thought if I had a quick attach loader and that 3-point bale mover on the same tractor, sweepin' 'em up would be less of a chore.

Although, yesterday I got this DuAl 320 ready to pull. Only took me 5 minutes to get all the bolts out, but it's kinda a pain, 'cause I've still gotta lift 'er off there with another loader.

Dunno,

Allan

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Allan in NE

12-18-2005 06:54:15

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Re: Loader Advice Please? in reply to Harley, 12-17-2005 17:58:32

Mornin',

Just thinkin' out loud. Would like something that is fast on and fast off.

I really like the way this hydro works and I'd kinda like to put it on the swather next summer thereby savin' me the trouble of wrestlin' those darned duals on and off of the 686.

One of my "oddities" is that I cannot stand to leave bales in the field; it just drives me nuts 'til they are put away.

Thought if I had a quick attach loader and that 3-point bale mover on the same tractor, sweepin' 'em up would be less of a chore.

Although, yesterday I got this DuAl 320 ready to pull. Only took me 5 minutes to get all the bolts out, but it's kinda a pain, 'cause I've still gotta lift 'er off there with another loader.

Dunno,

Allan

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Ken Macfarlane

12-19-2005 06:41:44

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Re: Loader Advice Please? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-18-2005 06:54:15

Alan,

Most of the guys with old timey loaders around here pull the pins at the top of the loader arms and the cylinder pins at the loader.

They then undo the dump cyl lines and strap the lift cylinders up to the the I guess you call em uprights.

Now they always do this on a piece of cement but they don't have much trouble. Oh also they weld a spot for a stand on too so it doesn't tip or they throw a chainfall to something overhead.

I've got a quick attach loader but I usually just drop the q/a bucket and call it good.

The tractor we just got rid of had a 2250 on it, nice loader but slow and had to be welded up a lot over the years. I'd never detached it just cause it was a pain in the butt. An accumulator would have been nice though so it didn't slam around on the road in top gear!

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Ken Macfarlane

12-19-2005 06:40:16

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Re: Loader Advice Please? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-18-2005 06:54:15

Alan,

Most of the guys with old timey loaders around here pull the pins at the top of the loader arms and the cylinder pins at the loader.

They then undo the dump cyl lines and strap the lift cylinders up to the the I guess you call em uprights.

Now they always do this on a piece of cement but they don't have much trouble. Oh also they weld a spot for a stand on too so it doesn't tip or they throw a chainfall to something overhead.

I've got a quick attach loader but I usually just drop the q/a bucket and call it good.

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jhill

12-19-2005 10:55:27

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Re: Loader Advice Please? in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 12-19-2005 06:40:16

This is what I do when I want to plant corn. If I want I can also take off cylinders but they usually don't get in the way. I have an A frame I use with a comealong to lift and hold the frame work.

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