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Allan in NE

01-26-2006 17:39:48




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Went into town this afternoon and bought a bunch of 20 gauge steel sheets to re-skin the inside of this old New Holland big round bale chamber.

Any words of wisdom before I tie into the frey?

I've worked combine sheet metal before, but never a baler.

Allan




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Russel King

01-27-2006 14:07:40




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 Re: Okay, You Guys........ in reply to Allan in NE, 01-26-2006 17:39:48  
Make your template out 3or 4 sheets of heavey paper, cut out your holes and other cuts as you go,tape them together. Take out and lay on cardbord,make your template out of cardboard.



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Allan in NE

01-27-2006 16:01:34




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 Re: Okay, You Guys........ in reply to Russel King, 01-27-2006 14:07:40  
Just about got 'er Russ,

I've got to make one more opening for that forming cam to come thru then I can duplicate this one for the other side and nail 'er all together.

The tailgate should go a heck of a lot faster because it is wide open and just a matter of figurin' out the angles.

I've decided to got with the pop rivets as well as the welder because I don't want anything interupting the flow of the hay. So, will tack it all along the doorway on all four pieces, but will rivet on the outter edges where the bale never reaches.

Thanks,

Allan

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RickL

01-26-2006 19:46:36




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 Re: Okay, You Guys........ in reply to Allan in NE, 01-26-2006 17:39:48  
If in area with vibration fender washers and bolts,locknuts. Pop rivets would be fine ad long as you use the button flange. Self drill screw be alright to get it in place but forget about them for holding it,vibration they don't like. Depending on how many sheets you bought and the whaste when you done not sure might be about same amount money if just got the repalcement panels period. the bolts will hold better than welding due to the vibration. Bolt it

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KEH

01-26-2006 18:26:06




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 Re: Okay, You Guys........ in reply to Allan in NE, 01-26-2006 17:39:48  
Allan,

I assume this is on the inside of the baler where the bale rubs against it. If you pop rivet the new steel in place it would seemto me that the rivet heads would be worn off first, letting the repair plates drop off.

If you weld them on, the steel sides are going to warp some unless you weld slowly.

I think I would vote for welding them in place.

Curious about how many links you have to take out of the chain.

KEH

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Allan in NE

01-26-2006 18:41:11




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 Re: Okay, You Guys........ in reply to KEH, 01-26-2006 18:26:06  
Hi Guy,

The rolls are out of the machine now so I've got a lot of room to work.

My plan is to do just 4 full-sized plates; a forward and back on each side. On the tailgate, I know I can stay totally out of the bale wear area with the rivets.

But on this forward part, I'll have to rivet in around that forming cam fer sure, but the rest I think I can go to the outside of the wear area.

Dunno, I'm in uncharted waters here. :>)

Takin' out one bar and one link on each side of that bar. Will have to squeze 'er like the devil to get 'er back together, me thinks.

Allan

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Allan in NE

01-26-2006 18:38:11




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 Re: Okay, You Guys........ in reply to KEH, 01-26-2006 18:26:06  
Hi Guy,

The rolls are out of the machine now so I've got a lot of room to work.

My plan is to do just 4 full-sized plates; a forward and back on each side. On the tailgate, I know I can stay totally out of the bale wear area with the rivets.

But on this forward part, I'll have to rivet in around that forming cam fer sure, but the rest I think I can go to the outside of the wear area.

Dunno, I'm in uncharted waters here. :>)

Takin' out one bar and one link on each side of that bar. Will have to squeze 'er like the devil to get 'er back together, me thinks.

Allan

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Duner Wi

01-26-2006 18:24:44




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 Re: Okay, You Guys........ in reply to Allan in NE, 01-26-2006 17:39:48  
Self tapping screw might be of help to hold things till you rivet or weld. I use them all the time but never reskinned a baler. Weld the holes shut with wire feed.



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Duner Wi

01-26-2006 18:24:19




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 Re: Okay, You Guys........ in reply to Allan in NE, 01-26-2006 17:39:48  
Self tapping screw might be of help to hold things till you rivet or weld. I use them all the time but never reskinned a baler. Welf the holes shut with wire feed.



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bubba 2

01-26-2006 18:14:43




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 Re: Okay, You Guys........ in reply to Allan in NE, 01-26-2006 17:39:48  
Just rememeber that metal is drawn towards the welded side, so if you can use countersunk bolts the metal will retain its shape a lot better than trying to weld it in place.



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Allan in NE

01-26-2006 18:26:52




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 Re: Okay, You Guys........ in reply to bubba 2, 01-26-2006 18:14:43  
You are the first guy to say that!

Everyone is telling me to weld the stuff, but I'm not so sure that I'm buyin' into that idea.

I'm plannin' to stay clear away from the wear surface area, watch the rotational direction and nail 'er at the key points with pop rivets.

What's wrong with that? It is 20 gauge to 20 gauge; wouldn't the rivets work a heck of a lot better? Especially, if I keep the bite areas totally away from the bale?

I think the hardest part is gonna be makin' the first two templates.

Allan

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Hugh MacKay

01-26-2006 18:11:14




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 Re: Okay, You Guys........ in reply to Allan in NE, 01-26-2006 17:39:48  
Allan: Don't cut your hands and arms. Remember your hide is just as old as mine, not as thick as it was one day. That old flesh just don't take what it use to.

I remember once last summer, ripped my arm on the side of highway trailer. Didn't think much of it and in the dark at the time. Went to the Eastern Market in Detroit, quite a shady part of town. 4:30 am the receiver met me, looked at my arm and said, " Good L@#D you look like the guys that spend the night here, look like this hour of the morning." I had blood smeared from my wrist to elbo.

TAKE CARE, I don't envy you.

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Allan in NE

01-26-2006 18:19:44




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 Re: Okay, You Guys........ in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-26-2006 18:11:14  
Hi Hugh,

Yep, she's gonna take some time to do and a good pair of leather gloves are in order, but what the heck, I've got the rollers out of 'er anyway. This is the perfect time to give it a new lease on life.

That way, I don't have to worry 'bout the old devil next summer. :>)

Allan



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Allan in NE

01-26-2006 18:16:44




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 Re: Okay, You Guys........ in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-26-2006 18:11:14  
Hi Hugh,

Yep, she's gonna take some time to do and a good pair of leather gloves are in order, but what the heck, I've got the rollers out of 'er anyway. This is the perfect time to give it a new lease on life.

That way, I don't have to worry 'bout the old devil next summer. :>)

Allan



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Chris(WA)

01-26-2006 20:14:42




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 Re: Okay, You Guys........ in reply to Allan in NE, 01-26-2006 18:16:44  
I wonder if a skim coat of epoxy or construction adhesive and then pop riveting it down. That way if you did lose a few rivets the epoxy would hold it. Just a thought , never tried it on stell like that. What gauge is the base metal? Strikes me that 20 ga. might be a bit light.Cutting out the worn material and welding in the same as original or heavier would be the most perminant fix but would be quite the chore I bet.

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Allan in NE

01-27-2006 03:55:30




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 Re: Okay, You Guys........ in reply to Chris(WA), 01-26-2006 20:14:42  
Hi Chris,

Base metal is 20 gauge also and is tacked to a latticework of box iron. Took 35 years fer the wear to come through on it. :>)

Allan

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IaGary

01-27-2006 05:06:43




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 Re: Okay, You Guys........ in reply to Allan in NE, 01-27-2006 03:55:30  
Don't weld it,it will warp like crazy!

You may have to weld any leading edges where the bale will turn into it. But only weld where there is a web brace to weld to. The metal that is on edge will keep it from warping at that point. Good luck Allan



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Allan in NE

01-27-2006 05:21:28




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 Re: Okay, You Guys........ in reply to IaGary, 01-27-2006 05:06:43  
Mornin' Gary,

Yep, that is exactly what I plan to do. Gonna follow the original sheets as close as possible and just lay in a new sheet right over the top of the old one.

Yep, it'll have to be 'tacked' in some certain spots, but I think I got 'er figured out in my mind how to tie 'er in there.

Hardest part is gonna be the cuttin' to fit.

See ya in 'bout a week. :>)

Allan

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Ken Macfarlane

01-27-2006 05:13:12




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 Re: Okay, You Guys........ in reply to IaGary, 01-27-2006 05:06:43  
If you have a small mig welder with 0.023 wire I'd weld it, otherwise pop rivits are the way to go. It won't warp welding it if you tack it all over, its just like doing car body work only with much thicker material.



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