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IH 1 Bottom breaking plow

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Jakers

04-03-2006 22:39:42




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I have one of these old plows and was thinking about its use to break about 3 acres of clay to be stumped and burned soon as well as turn my meadeaw over once its ditched better. I can attach a picture if seeing it will help identify is model and how to rig it. Its been converted to a hydraulic lift. I want to use my 720 diesel standard to pull it. I can adjust my rear wheels to any width, I have my axle wedges freed up and lubed. But the plow seems overall narrow on the furrow wheel and I wonder about its attachment. I have pulled a 2 bottom IH Little Genius #8 with this tractor before. i want to know how to set the width of the wheels or ofset the plow to get as much draft to I can motor on the meadow.

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Marv

04-05-2006 07:11:11




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 Re: IH 1 Bottom breaking plow in reply to Jakers, 04-03-2006 22:39:42  
I have a parts catalog photo of a one bottom No. 11 Little Genius plow with a 33 inch rolling coulter. It is a trip plow with one hand crank adjusting mechanism. The culter has a seriated edge. It has no trailing wheel. It is not the same plow that was by StuBC posted earlier today.



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Marv

04-05-2006 07:10:26




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 Re: IH 1 Bottom breaking plow in reply to Jakers, 04-03-2006 22:39:42  
I have a parts catalog photo of a one bottom No. 11 Little Genius plow with a 33 inch rolling coulter. It is a trip plow with one hand crank adjusting mechanism. The culter has a seriated edge. It has no trailing wheel. It is not the same plow that was by StuBC posted earlier today.



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Marv

04-04-2006 12:43:16




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 Re: IH 1 Bottom breaking plow in reply to Jakers, 04-03-2006 22:39:42  
Hugh,Let me start by saying that my interest in old plows began when I recently bought a # 8 Little Genius plow. It needs some repair so I started monitoring the Implement Alley discussion board for information and leads for parts. This past weekend I found this 735 page parts book ( No. 84-PO Parts Catalog McCarmick-Deering)which I mentioned in a earlier post. Unfortunatly, all the parts are listed as PO's rather than todays parts numbers. Most PO's match the numbers on the patrs themselves but most implement dealers have a different ID system.
What is interesting is all of the different plows listed. For instance, this is how the index reads:
Little Genius Tractor Plows Nos. 2,3,4,5 and 7.
Little Genius Tractor Plow No. 8.
Little Genius Rice Plow No 8.
Little Genius Tractor Plow No. 8, Sulky and
Gang, 18".
Little Genius Tractor Plow Nos. 10 and 10L.
Little Genius Tractor Plow No. 11.
Little Genius Tractor Plow No. 12.
Little Wonder Tractor Plow, Nos 1 and 2.
Two Way Tractor Plow, No. 37. Farmall Two-Way Plow, No. 86.
Farmall Two-Way Tractor Plows Nos. 88, N88 and 88 for F-30.
Farmall Two-Way Tractor Plow, No. 89.
Farmall Tractor Plow, No. 90.
Two-Way Plows Nos. 188 and N188.
Orchard Vineyard Plows, Nos. 23 and 24.
Subsoiler Plow, No. 1
Grub Breaker Engine Plow. 24 inch.

In addition, this Parts catalog has a pictures and parts for implements such as Walking Plows, Farmall Middle Busters, Ridge Busters, Furrowers, and Border Markers. Another section deals with Disk and Peg harrows.

The Catalog is very informative BUT it is not helping me find the parts I need.

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Hugh MacKay

04-04-2006 13:36:39




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 Re: IH 1 Bottom breaking plow in reply to Marv, 04-04-2006 12:43:16  
Marv: I have much the same type of book in the PO 85. CaseIH dealers if they want can cross reference those old P&O numbers. However many are too independant to do this.

The PO 85 book contains Little Wonder 3 and 4, tractor side hill hitches, No.14 Little Genius, No. 39 two way roll over plow and all the mounted plows for letter series tractors. It also has disk plows, harrow plows and middle busters.

If I'm looking for plow wear parts for plows back beyond 1962, I go right to TSC store. If I take the old part with me, they will have it in 5 days. Never failed yet, but bear in mind that is plow bottom wear parts only.

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Marv

04-04-2006 08:07:35




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 Re: IH 1 Bottom breaking plow in reply to Jakers, 04-03-2006 22:39:42  
Perhaps you have a 18'' No. 8 Little Genius single bottom plow. There is a picture of one on page 32 of the McCormick -Deering parts catalog No. 84-PO.

All references and photos of the Little Wonder # 1 and 2 Tractor plow shows them to be a two bottom plow.

As far as the hitch adjustment, trial and error is the best method to get the desired results. Good Luck.



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Hugh MacKay

04-04-2006 10:41:44




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 Re: IH 1 Bottom breaking plow in reply to Marv, 04-04-2006 08:07:35  
Marv: You seem to be suggesting Little Wonder plows were never built as a single bottom plow. Yes you are right the No.1 and No.2 were two bottom plows as was the No.4. The No.3 however was was a single bottom only available in 14" or 16" bottom. The No.3 by the way is in paarts book PO 85.

Also, I'd like to see a copy of that page out of parts book PO 84. I've seen a lot of IH plow literature in my day. The early info I have describes 2 and 3 bottom No.8 Little Genius and how to convert it from 2 to 3 bottom and 3 to 2 bottom. Post 1940 No.8 Little genius literature describes 2, 3, 4 and 5 bottom models. I'm not saying a 1 bottom No.8 didn't happen. I don't have parts book for the No.8 but I do have manuals.

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Hugh MacKay

04-04-2006 02:48:25




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 Re: IH 1 Bottom breaking plow in reply to Jakers, 04-03-2006 22:39:42  
Jakers: I've just gone through 150 Years of IH book and the only one bottom trailer plow I see is the Little Wonder No.3. I also have a complete parts book listing on this model and it was available in either 14" or 16" bottom



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StuBC

04-04-2006 20:01:05




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 Re: IH 1 Bottom breaking plow in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-04-2006 02:48:25  
third party image

Here is my crazy plow. Its got a larger frame to me than my #8 LG 2 bottom plow, but I dont know much about models. The coulter is a vertical solid cuttintg peg of heavy steel, and it has much bigger wheels than my #8 LG 2 bottom plow. Still look like a little wonder #3?

Any manuals exist on that model?

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Shovelman

04-05-2006 05:11:41




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 Re: IH 1 Bottom breaking plow in reply to StuBC, 04-04-2006 20:01:05  
Stu,

It appears to be a #461 Brush Breaker. If you could post a side view, we could make a more positive identification.

The 461 has a 16" bottom and has a stamped-steel furrow wheel. The 459 Brush Breaker has a 20" bottom and has a cast furrow wheel. The coulter is a "duck bill" cutter anchored to the beam to prevent pulling the cutter away from the share when backing out of a stump.

I have a 461 and it is a very substantial plow. They were designed for heavy duty service. My uncle gave me this plow and he said it would worry the heck out of his F-20 in heavy going.

I have a sales brochure on this plow but no other info.. I would be glad to fax you a copy if you wish.

Regards,
Scott

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StuBC

04-06-2006 12:14:06




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 Re: IH 1 Bottom breaking plow in reply to Shovelman, 04-05-2006 05:11:41  
Thanks for the brochure, very nice of you.



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Hugh MacKay

04-05-2006 03:38:59




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 Re: IH 1 Bottom breaking plow in reply to StuBC, 04-04-2006 20:01:05  
Stu: Is that StuBC as in British Columbia? Can you post a side on photo of that plow? This looks to me like one of the high clearence plows, designed to cut a 24" furrow, up to 15" deep. They would plow down trees and bushes up to 8' tall. Is there any indication on that plow of model number, part numbers or where it was made? If I am right these plows used the same design as regular IH farm plows, but were much larger scale, using much heavier steel. Most of them back 50 years ago, were pulled by crawlers the size of IH TD9 or a CatD4

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StuBC

04-05-2006 10:40:03




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 Re: IH 1 Bottom breaking plow in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-05-2006 03:38:59  
You bet, Quesnel, British Columbia. Are you close?

Tonight I will post a bunch more side and detail photos of this unit. Sounds pretty interesting, I am intrigued.

I have pulled it with my 720D diesel and my 70Gas in cleay to test it a bit. It goes DEEP. I have a 3"x10" cylinder on it but I am going to use my 3x8 instead. I tried it with my MC in the wet meadeaw and it stopped it dead at 6-8 inches. Big shovel.

How do I measure what a bottom width is exactly?

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Hugh MacKay

04-05-2006 12:44:04




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 Re: IH 1 Bottom breaking plow in reply to StuBC, 04-05-2006 10:40:03  
Stu: I'm in Strathroy Ontario, and your plow has me curious. It is IH and was it built at Hamilton ON or Canton IL? Should be on there in cast letters somewhere.

You were asking how to check width of cut, roughly what width of furrow does it turn? I'm thinking somewhere between 15" and 24". I have seen them as large as 24", but yours doesn't look quite that large. That photo could be a bit deceiving.

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