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Allan In NE

04-25-2006 03:34:55




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Hi Guys,

Don't have a manual and am havin' a heck of a time figurin' out the seed metering system on this old drill. Think it is a "AD" model.?

I'm just guessing, but the large side of the fluted wheel would be used for both oats and wheat, right? Then go to the poundage chart and adjust accordingly?

Thanks,

Allan

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ejr-IA.

04-25-2006 15:59:37




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 Re: Grain Drill Brain Fade in reply to Allan In NE, 04-25-2006 03:34:55  
Planting rate for oats is 6 seeds in a horse track.



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Glen in TX

04-25-2006 11:03:38




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 Re: Grain Drill Brain Fade in reply to Allan In NE, 04-25-2006 03:34:55  
Sounds like you got it figured out but if you need more info I did find a manual in file drawer for the DR-A model and it looks like yours. When you mentioned large side feed cup I'm assuming it's the DR-A. DR-A = Double Run feed cups series A. Yours is a series A with the curved top lid. Later ones with flat top lid were series B. Manual shows the cup feed type with large and small side cups with switching cover on top and adjusting levers on sides of cups. Pretty common drills down here and similar to later DR-B also like we have now. The flute feeds like Cowman is talking about should be like flute feeds on grass box and if it's like that it would be a DF-B or DF-C model with DF= Double Flute. Give me some more info and I can tell you for sure and which number manual you would need for it. I don't have any extras for this one now but JD publications has them or might find one on ebay or ads. Meanwhile I can send you some other info from it if needed. Like others said below adjust the tongue and hitch so the box is level. On the DR-A they show using a 8.20-15 tire? Probably meant 8.50-15 ? Anyway no matter what size tire they show inflating tire to get 13 1/4" from center of wheel hub to ground level to get seed rate right with chart but then it still also depends on seed size too as you know. Always kind of hard to figure on oats. I guess you got the compound gear in right position fast or slow for what chart shows also. DR168A with 16, 8" spacing has 10.6 bushel box. DR208A with 20 x 8" and DR1610A with 16 x 10 has 13.3 bu. box. This info is from JD DR-A operators manual OM-M16938M. You just had to send that cold air down here today huh? lol. Not too bad if a guy can stay out of that cold wind. Oh, a trick we used for seeding oats with those JD drills was sometimes having to bolt some boards on back side to keep the wind from blowing them out of cups.

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Allan In NE

04-25-2006 14:46:06




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 Re: Grain Drill Brain Fade in reply to Glen in TX, 04-25-2006 11:03:38  
Glen,

You jogged my memory. That's exactly what it is; a DR-A. The nameplate is on the left end of the left hopper.

Thanks for the help,

Allan



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Glen in TX

04-25-2006 16:09:42




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 Re: Grain Drill Brain Fade in reply to Allan In NE, 04-25-2006 14:46:06  
No prob. JD publications lists the DR-A manuals as combo manuals now and a little hard to find on their site but there. Or just call them at 800-522-7448 with model number off that tag. You might want a DR-B manual OMM60626 like I have as it has the grain charts in manual too but the DRA manual doesn't. It's the same drill as a DR-A but larger grain box and later model.

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Operator's Manual Title Part Number Language Quantity Price (USD) B-A & DR-A Grain Drills OMM18670 English $30.00 Add to Cart End-Wheel Grain Drills (B, B-A, FB-B, DF-B, DR-A) OMM19333 English\
Spanish $40.00 Add to Cart

Operators Manual CD-ROM Title Part Number Language Quantity Price (USD) B-A & DR-A Grain Drills OMM18670CD English $30.00 Add to Cart End-Wheel Grain Drills (B, B-A, FB-B, DF-B, DR-A) OMM19333CD English\
Spanish $30.00 Add to Cart

Parts Catalog Title Part Number Language Quantity Price (USD) B-A, B-B, CR-B, DF-B, DR-A, DR-B & FB-B Grain Drills PC822 English $30.00 Add to Cart

Parts Catalog CD-ROM Title Part Number Language Quantity Price (USD) B-A, B-B, CR-B, DF-B, DR-A, DR-B & FB-B Grain Drills PC822CD English $30.00 Add to CartLink

Operator's>Link Manual Title Part Number Language Quantity Price (USD) DR-B Plain Grain Drill OMM60626 English $30.00 Add to Cart

Operators Manual CD-ROM Title Part Number Language Quantity Price (USD) DR-B Plain Grain Drill OMM60626CD English $30.00 Add to Cart

Parts Catalog Title Part Number Language Quantity Price (USD) B-A, B-B, CR-B, DF-B, DR-A, DR-B & FB-B Grain Drills PC822 English $30.00 Add to Cart

Parts Catalog CD-ROM Title Part Number Language Quantity Price (USD) B-A, B-B, CR-B, DF-B, DR-A, DR-B & FB-B Grain Drills PC822CD English $30.00 Add to Cart

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Nebraska Cowman

04-25-2006 09:59:30




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 Re: Grain Drill Brain Fade in reply to Allan In NE, 04-25-2006 03:34:55  
So Allan, I am a bit confused. Is it a "flute feed" or "cup-feed"? Flute feed slide on the shaft to adjust rate. cup feed you have a choice of large or smal cup and then adjust rate with a little lever on the side of each cup.

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Allan In NE

04-25-2006 10:41:15




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 Re: Grain Drill Brain Fade in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 04-25-2006 09:59:30  
Well phooey! Now ya got me all mixed up. :>(

The only drills I've ever been around to this point had a little "cogged" wheel laying on it's side and ya had to "slide" it in and out to adjust? And, this is the way the grass seeder box is on this drill.

However, the main grain box is the kind that has the two-sided dished saucer standing up on it's edge with two little adjustment levers sticking out the back, one on each side.

The feller I bought it from called it a "fluted feed"? I dunno, maybe he was just talking 'bout that grass seeder part?

Anyway, the large size has the divider's 'bout every 5/8" or so and the small size has 'em every 3/8" (approximately). Come to think of it, he did tell me that "Ya gotta adjust those cups". :>(

Darned if I know what I got, but it sure seems to plant okay. :>)

Allan

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Allan In NE

04-25-2006 10:42:58




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 Re: Grain Drill Brain Fade in reply to Allan In NE, 04-25-2006 10:41:15  
Plus,

I ain't even gonna tell ya what he charged me fer the little darlin'. He just knew a fool came to buy his old drill. :>(

Allan



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Glen in TX

04-25-2006 12:12:05




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 Cup Style Feeds - Pic in reply to Allan In NE, 04-25-2006 10:42:58  
JD doesn't show these old ones on their online parts site anymore but here's a pic of cup feed type large and small side of double run feed cups on the DR-A drill. The flute feed will have a single roll with round grooves cut horizontal with single or double cup and 1 or 2 levers on front of back of box for slide adjustments on a notched numbered piece. If it's the DR-A double run feed cups I got operators manual and dealer assembly manual for it if you need more info shoot me email later.

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Allan In NE

04-25-2006 09:48:55




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 Re: Grain Drill Brain Fade in reply to Allan In NE, 04-25-2006 03:34:55  
Okay,

Will all of your help, I went out there and "applied" my weary old brain to the drill.

Looks as though it is set on the large side of the wheel and adjusted to run about 30 to 36 lbs of oats.

I'm gonna give 'er a try right where it is at.

Thanks for all your help. According to my scoreboard, I now owe you guys a million and fifteen favors in return.

Allan



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Glen in TX

04-25-2006 09:36:51




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 Re: Grain Drill Brain Fade in reply to Allan In NE, 04-25-2006 03:34:55  
Allan, I think it's a DR or DRA model. If I'm seeing correctly in pic yours has once piece curved lid on top right? Just grass box on front. Will look to see if I still got a manual on one of those. Large side cup should do oat, wheat, barley, rye, triticale and small side for sorghum / sudan haygrazer. Later ones after yours with a flat top lid were DRB.



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Christos

04-25-2006 09:09:57




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 Re: Grain Drill Brain Fade in reply to Allan In NE, 04-25-2006 03:34:55  
Hey Allan,

I know this sounds dumb coming from a greenhorn, but did/are you making sure that the drill is level and parallel to the ground? In my JD FB manual it stresses the importance of keeping the drill and hitch level so the calculations and rate of the seed arn't thrown off.

Christos



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Glen in TX

04-25-2006 15:50:37




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 Re: Grain Drill Brain Fade in reply to Christos, 04-25-2006 09:09:57  
I mentioned something after reading your post too about leveling but after reading in the DR-A and DR-B manuals having the drill top level and parallel to ground is NOT so important as seed placement. The drills could have a variety of openers on them, single disk, double disk, and hoe trip type. For ideal conditions you want to try it level but we always tilted ours some forward as allows more penetration and better trash flow. Just not too far forward thought as like Leroy said it won't cover seed well then or place it right. Tilting back too far digs in too deep and causes clogging and excess wear of openers. Opener spring tension is important too and something that needs to be changed for different soil conditions and whether on flat ground or listed beds.

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Leroy

04-25-2006 14:45:15




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 Re: Grain Drill Brain Fade in reply to Christos, 04-25-2006 09:09:57  
The reason for leveling are not what you are thinking but if the front is tipped up too much then the shoe (with a dingle disc opener) will be digging down below the disk opener and cause plugging and if front too low then the seed will not be placed down to the depth the blades say it should be placed



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Leroy

04-25-2006 14:48:06




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 Re: Grain Drill Brain Fade in reply to Leroy, 04-25-2006 14:45:15  
Forgot, double disc opener not as crittical on leveling unless it is a stagard opener setting then one opener will be low while the one next to it will be high for two different seeding depths



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Oregonfarmer

04-25-2006 08:58:16




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 Re: Grain Drill Brain Fade in reply to Allan In NE, 04-25-2006 03:34:55  
This drill looks like my JD Van Brunt. In my case the size of seed has a big affect. Last yr I was seeding a plump variety of oats (Otana) and this year a small kernel type (Cayous) and kept the seeding rate the same with the intention of seeding 100lbs/ac. It seemed to be to much, so I checked it and it was putting down 157lb/ac!! The slider had to be closed down a little. We use a meter wheel and put in 100lbs and calculate from there. Seed is to expensive to guess($300/ton here untreated). BTW our drill is a 6x20 single disc and pull spike tooth behind.

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RodInNS

04-25-2006 08:54:07




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 Re: Grain Drill Brain Fade in reply to Allan In NE, 04-25-2006 03:34:55  
Hey Allan,

Dunno anthing about that drill, but I've got an old Massey 33 that uses about the same technology.... I'd bet that if you opened the flutes about 1/2 way, set for Oats/Wheat, then you would probably do OK. It's only a nurse crop anyway, right? I guess if you wanted to get technical, you could jack up one wheel of the drill, put some seed over one run, and run off some many turns of the wheel, catch a good size sample, and weigh it up. Then use the wheel circumference and run spacing to to figure out how much area "you covered". Haven't done that since college..... But it'll work if yer stuck.

Rod

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Bud Sather in MT

04-25-2006 07:47:24




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 Re: Grain Drill Brain Fade in reply to Allan In NE, 04-25-2006 03:34:55  
Allan,
What works for oats will work for wheat. I think you are right in what you said, anyway that is what I would do.
Bud



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Allan In NE

04-25-2006 08:00:06




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 Re: Grain Drill Brain Fade in reply to Bud Sather in MT, 04-25-2006 07:47:24  
So,

Would you think that if I just set the thing for wheat using the poundage chart that the oats would then just fall into line?

To heck with the fact that oats actually weigh less?

I think the prior owner said that he last used it for brome grass, so I'll be darned if I know where it is set now. Might have to do a little "guessing"?

Allan



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jimont

04-25-2006 11:51:07




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 Re: Grain Drill Brain Fade in reply to Allan In NE, 04-25-2006 08:00:06  
Hey Allan --- If she's set up for sowing brome, it'll be ok for oats. Up here, we always sow brome mixed in with the oats 'cause we're just toooo cheap to buy a brome seeder.



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