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Iowa N

01-25-2000 10:03:42

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I need to purchase a hay rake before this summer and attended an Auction yesterday, there were 4 NH rakes like # 254's and???? two of them were 4 wheeled and the other two were 2 wheel. Each went for 750 to 1400. I though this was kinda high but, was told by the locals these were fair prices for N. Iowa.

I found a PTO driven rake at a local dealer I think it is a JD 300 and they are asking 450 for it. This seems to be a good price compared to the ground driven New Hollands that sold at the aucion. Can any one tell me the advandages or disadvantages of either type of rakes?

Thanks for the Input....

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Tom from Ontario

01-26-2000 10:45:45

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Re: PTO Rake vs. Ground driven in reply to Iowa N, 01-25-2000 10:03:42

Had a Sitrex rake and it was not worth fooling with. If there was any sort of a crop of hay, it just kind of rode over the top and ripped the hay off the top of the swath. Back to a mounted pto rake. Works fine. As far as wads go, the wheel rakes were the worst. I like the pto rake because you can ease through a wad, get it all and spread it. Plus, super short turns. There are all kinds of wheel rakes and swath turners sitting doing nothing around here. If a guy gets a new rake, usually it's a Khun rotary. Work very well as opposed to a Deutz-Allis which seems to be designed to self-destruct. Tom

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Burrhead

01-26-2000 13:33:16

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Re: Re: PTO Rake vs. Ground driven in reply to Tom from Ontario, 01-26-2000 10:45:45

I had the same problem til I learned to use it. The only problem I've seen with Sittrex rakes is the operator. Been there done that.
Once you learn to use a Sittrex rake you can be through with the raking before you could hook up and adjust a NH or JD, or Kuhn.
Most times if the hay is mature enough to cause wadding problems you have neglected cutting the hay on time and therefore have lost the quality that you bought the equipment to have in the beginning.
Most times any name brand Kuhn, JD, NH or whatever instills a false feeling of more cost for equipment equals better performance. That however is for operator confidence and marketing factors and does'nt really apply to equipment functions.

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Redneck

01-25-2000 11:46:11

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Re: PTO Rake vs. Ground driven in reply to Iowa N, 01-25-2000 10:03:42

I have used both. The ground drives rake is aggravating. Your ground speed determines the speed the rake runs.

With the PTO driven rake you can slow your ground speed and maintain the rake speed as needed. This is helpfull in real thick hay.

I now use a wheel rake (which is ground driven). These rakes work much better. It doesn't matter how thick the hay is they will rake it and rake it clean. You can get them in various set ups. I currently use a double and make only one pass and have a windrow. The only draw back to this rake is they tend to make the hay dusty. A plus is they are not very expensive brand new and not that costly to maintain.

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Burrhead

01-26-2000 09:50:47

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Re: Re: PTO Rake vs. Ground driven in reply to Redneck, 01-25-2000 11:46:11

I broke my NH 55 and the parts were so expensive I decided to buy a new Sittrex rake. I think it's like what you're talking about only around here they call them finger rakes. I have used it on about 8,000 bales per year plus I loan it out and swap work with neighbors so I don't really know how much work it actually does, but I know it does a lot of work.
In 7 years I have'nt had to repair anything. As the fingers wear down I just let it farther down to the ground. When I get ready to put new tines on it they will only cost $1.15 each at the dealer. So in other words I love mine it only cost $495 brand new and is going strong after 7 yrs.

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Jeff W.

01-25-2000 15:34:08

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Re: Re: PTO Rake vs. Ground driven in reply to Redneck, 01-25-2000 11:46:11

I agree with the wheel rakes, I think a single row 3pt. runs about $500 new. I have never liked the pto rakes I've used fords that wodded more hay around the rake it's self than it put in the windrow. Had a NH 3. pto raise the front of a 3000 ford 3ft. off the ground never lift one of them going up hill. The ground driven NH is worth every penny in small feilds. I've got an old 55 NH I gave $1000 for in the late 80s. don't think I'd part with it. I've also got one of the single wheel rakes my brother loves it, but it won't hook up to the H.

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just thought of another

01-25-2000 15:39:43

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Re: Re: Re: PTO Rake vs. Ground driven in reply to Jeff W., 01-25-2000 15:34:08

Farm Hand made a wheel rake back years ago, they wher pull type around here I see them in the paper
every week or two for about $100. Dad used one for years I've got a freind who still uses one. Just something to think about. Jeff

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Gerald J.

01-25-2000 20:15:18

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Re: Re: Re: Re: PTO Rake vs. Ground driven in reply to just thought of another , 01-25-2000 15:39:43

I paid $175 from a vermeer dealer for a New Idea that looks like a farmhand. Big steel wheels, short teeth. I found I had to hit the windrows made by my PT-10 in the same direction they were mowed or it didn't rake clean. That is, it left hay sprayed all over. The best part about a wheel rake is that you can pull it a lot faster with the same hay damage (leaf shattering) compared to a parallel bar or even faster compared to a 4 bar rake.

Gerald J.

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