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ACGMAN

12-24-2006 19:11:18




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Anyone have a way to determine how deep to run my one bottom subsoiler to do a good job. I want to get under the hardpan but don't no how to figure how deep it is. Thank you, Dave.




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davpal

12-26-2006 14:58:26




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 Re: subsoiler in reply to ACGMAN, 12-24-2006 19:11:18  
My neighbor is a Case IH field rep and he told me to go out and dig a hole in the field and make sure the sides were flat. I did this and dug a hole about 16 inces deep. He said to take a pocke knife or sharp putty knife and reach into the bottom of the hole and start cutting into the soil straight up. As soon as you hit the hardpan layer your knife will be noticeably harder to pull. I did it and he was right on. I pulled the blade up and every time about 9-10 inches from the surface it was much harder to pull. I bought an IH chisel plow and set it as deep as it would go, which was about 12 inches deep and went for it. The field was very hard to chisel plow. Just plain brutal on the tractor. I kept having to wait for it to dry up out there enough to do it but it really never did. I noticed though, in the spots where it was dry, I got more traction buy the chisel plow had a hard time penetrating the ground and would hop a lot. It is a very heavy 10 shank chisel plow. Time will tell if it helped us or not. I am hoping for a little help from some frost because that defenitely helps, although it has not frozen more than an inch down here in Michigan at any time and right now it is like fall out with no frost at all. Just tons of water every other day. Later.

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Mark

12-24-2006 20:03:31




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 Re: subsoiler in reply to ACGMAN, 12-24-2006 19:11:18  
As deep as it will go. My old subsoiler is a Ford and the shank is about 24" long....but the lift arms won't go all the way to the ground.....so about 18" is as deep as it will go...that's deep enough. Subsoil when the ground is DRY...like in mid July and then pull it slowly....the ground will hoove up 2 feet on either side of the trench and the pan will shatter well.



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supergrumpy

12-26-2006 09:37:34




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 Re: subsoiler in reply to Mark , 12-24-2006 20:03:31  
had big discussion yesterday after dinner about "pan", the LaBatts made it a loud discussion

one side said there was no such thing as pan where the ground freezes more than 2 feet deep as the frost will break it up



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Mark

12-26-2006 09:54:12




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 Re: subsoiler in reply to supergrumpy, 12-26-2006 09:37:34  
SG,

Hard 'pan' does indeed form and exist. Of course where I am in Kentucky, the ground never freezes 2 feet deep....at the most maybe 10 inches and it has to be a hard winter for that. We haven't had but few hard winters in my 49 years of life!

Hard pan is the result of tillage on top but the compaction of the subsoil by equipment being ran over the ground. Also, moldboard plows pack the subsoil...almost polish it..where it passes over the ground below and after years of repeated plowing the ground below gets hard as rock! A rotary tiller is the very worst for this. Those tines compact the soil where they stop cutting and will form a pan within 2 seasons, easily. Pan is nothing but a hardened layer of earth that water and roots have a very difficult time of penetrating. If it didn't exist...a subsoiler would pull through the ground very easily....and that just doesn't happen! Folks in the know recognized 'hard pan' a long, long time ago and the subsoiler is a very old implement.

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Michael Price

12-24-2006 20:01:48




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 Re: subsoiler in reply to ACGMAN, 12-24-2006 19:11:18  
If your feild isnt tiled I would run as deep as I could.



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