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Am I asking to much of my 44H with this disk plow?

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772tas

01-26-2007 20:06:49




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Am I asking to much of my 1944H Farmall with this disk plow? It is 4½ feet across and has 7ea 21-inch disks. I have tried twice to get it into the field, both times without much success. My H only has one-way hydraulics and on the way down it moves kind of slow. I get started with this plow but by the time the 4th or 5th disk starts really digging in the front picks up enough that I cannot steer and I have to stop. I was thinking about getting weight on the front to keep the front end down but don’t want to waste time on a project that will not work in the first place. Now as I am writing this I think I may also have it setup wrong. The right side or the leading disk digs in first and is 8-10 inches deep before the left side starts digging in. I think partially because the guide wheel is to low. I know it will not bring the weight back to the front changing the setup but it may get the plow to work better.
What would the correct setup be for this unit?

I am attempting to plow up a few acres for a small garden. This land is black clay like and has been in grass for cattle for years and years and possibly longer. I am using this piece of equipment because it is all I have right now. I am planning on purchasing a tandem soon but I cannot afford both a plow and a disk.

Thanks Ken B

I can't get the photo to post here is a LINK!!

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Leroy

01-29-2007 16:45:58




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 Re: Am I asking to much of my 44H with this disk p in reply to 772tas, 01-26-2007 20:06:49  
I tried responding yesterday and just had this all written when the net went down and lost it all. Your picture is to dark to actually make out for sure just what you have but it looks like a disk tiller (blades all on 1 axle), a disk plow would have larger blades than that and they would each be mounted on an individual shank just like a moldboard plow. Now it looks and sounds looks you have a 3 point hitch on your tractor. I can tell that you have the rear wheels set out way way to wide for it to work, you need them about as narrow as it will go (ours was set on if I remember correctly 66" tread for 2-12" pultype moldboard plows) you look like they are set for cultivating 2-40" rows with wheel track of about 80" that would give you so much side draft you could not stear. Now to the setup the right rear tire has to run in the furrow same as a moldboard plow. Now for leveling as that is also what you are needing to do is like the other poster sain put the left wheel on a block but use a 5" block and put the front wheels on anouther 5" block. Do not use the 8" as that is way too much as you could not get it to adjust to work as that implement is only made to work at a maximum of 5" depth. Now lower the 3 point hitch so the front blade just hits the ground, (You need the lift arms both adjusted the same when you start this) now lengthen your top link so the rear blade hits the ground with the same pressure as the front blade (When you do this lengthing of the top link the front blade weii get more down pressure on it and will want to raise the lift arms) and it should be ready for initail tryout in field with you being able to see the minor addjustments you will still need to make. As for power you should have plenty as The Farmall H is a 27 Max PTO HP tractor and we used to pull a 11 blade 24" blade 9' width unit with a 38 HP John Deere A, Ours was a pull type. In bean stubble we pulled it in 4th gear. Use 2nd gear for first time over as it will cut better slow than fast. Remember it is only designed to cut 5" deep, and they will not cut thru trash or grass or straw. If you have grass or green weeds mow them as short as if you were using a lawnmower and get rid of the trash. After you are over the first time you can shift up to 3rd for finnishing working the soil, just keep going different directions so that you do not build up a ridge. They also work great in working newground (just bulldozed woods) with roots left as they will keep running over the top of those roots till they are cut off and will bring up roots to be picked up by hand with each pass. That unit was probably made for a Ferguson TO 30 tractor with 29 HP.

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John (MO)

01-29-2007 06:53:39




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 Re: Am I asking to much of my 44H with this disk p in reply to 772tas, 01-26-2007 20:06:49  
I don`t know if your tractor will handle that or not, I`m not knowledgable on H`s. But before you give up on it, you need it get it set up right. You will need to set your tractor wheels correctly as others have said. Then you will need to get the tractor wheels up on blocks to simulate the position it will run in and get the plow set level, front to back and side to side. Then give it a try and see if you have enough horses for it. When set properly, your first pass will cut deepest on the last blade, but after that, when your wheel drops in the furrow, all blades should cut the same depth. Some more front weight wouldn't hurt either. As someone else also stated, you could remove the back blade or two if you still can`t pull it after you have it set up properly.

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super99

01-28-2007 16:29:20




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 Re: Am I asking to much of my 44H with this disk p in reply to 772tas, 01-26-2007 20:06:49  
Looks like a pretty big load to me. 4 14 in. bottoms covers 56 in. 4 and a half ft is 54 inches. A H is a 2 bottom tractor so you are trying to pull twice as much as it was made for in my book. Don't know how hard they pull compared to a regular plow. Right wheel looks too wide, I am guessing that it should run in furrow left from previous pass. Looks like a lot of weight hanging back there, Some more weight on front wouldn't hurt anything. Can you adjust lift arms so right side doesn't go in so deep? Can you adjust top link so it doesn't go in so deep? I would say to try to set it shallow and go over the field several times. Hope you can get it to work, Chris

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bizkit

01-27-2007 14:42:32




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 Re: Am I asking to much of my 44H with this disk p in reply to 772tas, 01-26-2007 20:06:49  
yep way to much might want to try something a littel smaller maybe a small one bottom plow i don;t want to discourage u because trying iz half the battle



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Dave Anderson

01-27-2007 07:41:16




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 Re: Am I asking to much of my 44H with this disk p in reply to 772tas, 01-26-2007 20:06:49  
That's not a disc-plow. It's a disc-tiller. Not very good for heavy soils, it was basically used to till under wheat stubble, not tight sod.



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Allan In NE

01-27-2007 02:48:52




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 Re: Am I asking to much of my 44H with this disk p in reply to 772tas, 01-26-2007 20:06:49  
Yep,

Those little Hs are great little tractors when used for what they were designed. Tillage just isn't one of those uses.

Way too much tail for the dog. :>)

Allan

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jwal10

01-26-2007 21:51:40




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 Re: Am I asking to much of my 44H with this disk p in reply to 772tas, 01-26-2007 20:06:49  
Also you can take the axle nut off and remove 1 or 2 disks. It will make it easier to pull, you might have to put a large washer as a spacer for each disk removed.Another option is to use more as a disk by running shallower and going over several times setting deeper each time to get the depth you desire.It will pull easier as soil is loosened up.I know how it is when money is a limiting factor but keep trying, you will figure it out. good luck. P.S.I have an H, Good little tractor, don't let anyone say it can't be done.I have a 2x16 #60 IHC hydralic lift pull plow.I don't have a 3pt on mine, but I like your plow.

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jwal10

01-26-2007 21:37:04




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 Re: Am I asking to much of my 44H with this disk p in reply to 772tas, 01-26-2007 20:06:49  
I think your H will handle this, but I think you need some set up help. 1st the rear wheels of tractor look too wide, hard to tell for sure but inside tire to 1st disk should be same as distance between blades 9"-10"? Next run left tire of tractor up on some boards the height you want to plow 6"-8", set plow level with ground so when right tire is in furrow plow is level ie: right to left of plow is same depth.This will take some time to get right without set up instructions.It depends on how plow trails tractor, how much side to side play is in 3 point hitch.Does 3pt have chains or plates or sway bars to limit sway in 3pt?

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johns48jdb

01-26-2007 20:30:40




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 Re: Am I asking to much of my 44H with this disk p in reply to 772tas, 01-26-2007 20:06:49  
you've got a wheat land plow. i don't think you have enough tractor to pull it as is. it wasn't made to run as deep as your tring to pull it i don't think. you need to adjust your top link so the plow sits level where all the disk touch the groud at the same time. sometimes i have a little better luck with the rear disk a little deeper than the others. i think you need to hunt you up a trip plow that you raise up and down with a rope or maybe your hydraulics could handle it if you got one with a cylinder. i don't think you need more than 2 14 inch plows or maybe even just one 16 inch bottom. if you have a lot of clay you need to run a soil test and see how much lime you need. it probably isn't a question of need it but rather how much. you need to catch your ground at just the right time to break it. my grandfather always made a ball of the dirt and squezzed it together. if i fell apart it was workable. if it didn't it was to wet to work. lots of luck

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